pogue
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Post by pogue on Sept 7, 2012 21:00:30 GMT 2
A thread about the best captains ever turns into a thread about the worst captains. You people are so negative. YOU ARE ALL KILLING MYTH.
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Post by giantkillergeneral on Sept 7, 2012 21:20:24 GMT 2
lol tirri, troll harder bro. my list for worst captains still stands, as if it has anything to do with some rabble tourney that just finished. but if you do want to bring my personal tournament record into this, then all you have to do is look no further than my past 2 mwc wins. can't touch me until next year bro. gg, gf, no re.
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Post by honkey on Sept 7, 2012 22:29:59 GMT 2
Bone is not one of the worst captains he is just highly overrated and inconsistent. He's still
Well above average
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Post by giantkillergeneral on Sept 7, 2012 23:54:59 GMT 2
greatly disagree. seriously what other captain has taken a stacked team and singlehandedly crushed their performance in mwc finals for 2 years? and yes i do say singlehandedly, look at the films and it is all him and his crazy ass trades and lack of any real strategy.
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Post by par73 on Sept 8, 2012 2:28:47 GMT 2
bone sucks
he also got a myth tattoo along with newskin
raziel might have as well? i'm not really sure what on before or after their get together video
seriously if you don't shake your head here and choose to promote his derranged ego that he knows his way out of a fucken 2 way tunnel when he doesn't know if he should go left or right, then u are being manipulative of him. downright abusive.
i think ratking could outcaptain bone and ska respectively as well, plz cremisi is another great captain and i think cremisi is already capping above duckys cappin level
karma is a great captain, was only there for our team for one match, but prepared strategies every week and the week he showed up we went absolute ham
in 2012 captains, and the ability to captain, have been smothered due to the overall remaining players and small amount of teams each tournament.
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Post by giantkillergeneral on Sept 8, 2012 3:19:48 GMT 2
yea i agree...a lot of new talent could outcaptain a lot of the traditional captains of many top mwc teams. definitely above ducky's level, maybe above ska's too.
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Post by flatline on Sept 8, 2012 3:52:35 GMT 2
in this tourney ratkings team played 3 ctf games against gkgs team. does anyone want to guess how many times ratkings team just sent stuff through and snatched the flag of the greatest captain ever? yes thats right, 3 times. for the statistically impaired thats 100% hehe. Well between drunken and cremisi they did the same thing either solo (or together) 3xTeamgkg 1xTeamAsmo. You dont see a whole lof of that in team tourney games nowadays as usually it rarely seems to work I guess. So doing it 4 times in 4 matches is fairly interesting. Oh cremisi did same shit to tcox in mwc on that winter map with the horrid colourmap too.  Revenge of the irishman and the honkey-wighter I guess. |
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Post by flatline on Sept 8, 2012 4:10:54 GMT 2
bone sucks he also got a myth tattoo along with newskin raziel might have as well? i'm not really sure what on before or after their get together video seriously if you don't shake your head here and choose to promote his derranged ego that he knows his way out of a fucken 2 way tunnel when he doesn't know if he should go left or right, then u are being manipulative of him. downright abusive. i think ratking could outcaptain bone and ska respectively as well, plz cremisi is another great captain and i think cremisi is already capping above duckys cappin level karma is a great captain, was only there for our team for one match, but prepared strategies every week and the week he showed up we went absolute ham in 2012 captains, and the ability to captain, have been smothered due to the overall remaining players and small amount of teams each tournament. Well. I've never had ska or bone captain me really so I can only comment from films and such. In regards to captains I have played under. (1) Ratking - Ratking doesnt seem like a bad cap at all really. He actually has strats which is good. He tends to give the right players the right units for their skillsets and such which is good. His strats/trades seem nothing too flashy/funky but definitely seem to get the job done and are solid which is good. He calls orders in game which is good althought at certain times a couple more orders now and then would help but not the biggest deal. I didn't notice him every redistrubute units on the fly in game much though but in the games I played it was generally someone asking for more unit and someone else on team giving them rather than the cap redistrubiting so hard to say on that one. (2)Raziel - When i ever teamed under raz i always expected an over complicated-funky strat which would 50% of time fail hard either because it was no good or that nobody could really understand exactly what raz wanted them to be doing. His game awareness and such seemed alright though. (3) WWO - Don't mind wwo as a captain his strats usually solid but never anything very complicated or out-of-thebox-thinking. Teamed under wwo in mwc07 and actually watched the abs-lichen and the first 12t-abs films the other day and the captaining and player shenanigans in those films was totally hillus. (4) Karma - Never saw karma really captain till team karma-team ratking but he was really good!. His strats generally owned ours and were mostly strats I wasn't really expecting. Surprising. (5) Tirri - Never had tirri actually captain me but put him here for different reason. In team-ratking team in nearly every game tirri would be calling out orders to either the team or specific team members constantly or telling other team members what they should be doing etc etc. Was actually really handy and well done and certainly made a difference with tirri sort of being an unofficial co-captain in game and telling people what to do. (6) GKG - After playing some matches vs and watching some films I dont actually think gkg's strats are as predictable as some tend to say or think (ie. Will rush every game). If actually watch films etc this doesnt really seem true at all. After watching say the finals films I noticed gkg often called orders in game that for some reason were ignored or executed like a minute after they were told to do so. Dunno why that was. Did a really nice pinch of us on poison holiday ctf but while executing that cremisi ran straight through their lines to their flag. Who's fault was that? Hard to say sometimes. Captain has to be looking for that stuff but if players are tunnelling and dont see it when they should and dont say anything it makes it unclear who's to blame. Same shit in tcox-r3 winter ctf. Either me or ram or gamer (the cap) probably could have seen crem run straight through our line there yet nobody saw it or said so i guess the blame gets shared around. |
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Post by flatline on Sept 8, 2012 4:18:03 GMT 2
Random thoughts.
At one point around nml2 i wasnt a bad captain when i invested shitloads of time into mking strats and such but since then I am far too lazy to try captaining.
Most teams I've played in for years in tourneys the captain is generally someone that doesn't really want to be captaining but it's just that the rest of the players on the team REALLY don't want to be captaining so someone gets the short straw and has to do it.
It's a shit job and I'm far too lazy nowadays to even attempt it.
It can be a rather thankless job also and quite often if a team loses a game the captain is immediately blamed even when it wasn't really their fault so *cruiser* that.
Most people can probably "captain" a team full of decent players just fine.
Actually making a list of truly good captains who are players who actually want to do that job and do it well rather than a player who's doing it because nobody else wants to results in a much shorter list!
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Post by asmo on Sept 8, 2012 4:36:30 GMT 2
in this tourney ratkings team played 3 ctf games against gkgs team. does anyone want to guess how many times ratkings team just sent stuff through and snatched the flag of the greatest captain ever? yes thats right, 3 times. for the statistically impaired thats 100% hehe. Well between drunken and cremisi they did the same thing either solo (or together) 3xTeamgkg 1xTeamAsmo. You dont see a whole lof of that in team tourney games nowadays as usually it rarely seems to work I guess. So doing it 4 times in 4 matches is fairly interesting. Oh cremisi did same shit to tcox in mwc on that winter map with the horrid colourmap too. Revenge of the irishman and the honkey-wighter I guess. A captain can only do so much...I'm not sure of the 3 you were referring to but I know 2 of them Hyver and the Calvary map that GKG had people in place but they didn't do their job. |
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Post by giantkillergeneral on Sept 8, 2012 5:05:50 GMT 2
yea well the reason you don't see stuff like that in most team tourneys is because most team tourneys aren't glorified rabble team games. this was pretty much the first one. anyone who doesn't look at that tournament as just better organized rabble games is kidding themselves. capping it definitely felt like capping a rabble team game. simply can't compare to mwc.
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Post by cremisi on Sept 8, 2012 5:06:47 GMT 2
in this tourney ratkings team played 3 ctf games against gkgs team. does anyone want to guess how many times ratkings team just sent stuff through and snatched the flag of the greatest captain ever? yes thats right, 3 times. for the statistically impaired thats 100% hehe. Well between drunken and cremisi they did the same thing either solo (or together) 3xTeamgkg 1xTeamAsmo. You dont see a whole lof of that in team tourney games nowadays as usually it rarely seems to work I guess. So doing it 4 times in 4 matches is fairly interesting. Oh cremisi did same shit to tcox in mwc on that winter map with the horrid colourmap too. Revenge of the irishman and the honkey-wighter I guess. GKG had a great start for poison map and we really needed to win that game , when i saw the fast push and pressure on our flag i knew we were fucked because once we get on defense we will never be able to get back on offense , the funny thing is in all the games that i pushed threw a hole in between groups , taking the flag is not the first thing on my mind , i was trying to give the team that is pushing hard a choice , to take pressure off and come to get me so our team could reverse and get back on offense , or loose your flag , what is interesting is in all cases no one reacted to it . the key is to time it when they are 2 or 3 sec's from making a move and getting distracted , because it makes it hard for the their captain to reverse an order he just gave a sec ago and his team wont even see it . note that this only works in ctf game type possibly fr. |
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Post by giantkillergeneral on Sept 8, 2012 5:11:08 GMT 2
oh and btw, making strats does not take much time at all. 2-3 minutes for a basic idea of a strat which will get the job done 80% of the time. the excuse of who has time to plan that stuff is such a joke. it only takes a long time if you don't know what the hell you are doing.
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Post by flatline on Sept 8, 2012 5:20:37 GMT 2
oh and btw, making strats does not take much time at all. 2-3 minutes for a basic idea of a strat which will get the job done 80% of the time. the excuse of who has time to plan that stuff is such a joke. it only takes a long time if you don't know what the hell you are doing. I can hammer out a basic strat that would probably work in a couple of minutes on most maps probably. But to make a real good strat that i would be much happier with would take me a bit longer for sure. But thats probably why I never captain anymore for a long time. |
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Post by ratking on Sept 8, 2012 6:09:51 GMT 2
Nice discussion guys. My personal take on capping is not to constantly monitor every move, but to have a effect on the game. Obv keeping track on the games progression is equally important. I like giving players more room to work, esp those like cremisi. Tirri was also a huge help, one that I could rely on. Flat was much of the same but playing a more pure hitter role, which he did quite well.
Karma did have a great strat on shuffle. After watching the hver game I thought we could have done better. Gkg's strats were very good as well.
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