Top 5 all time captain list

[rambone]

Rab. Does anyone deny this?

[rambone]

Oh yeah the brigs thing ...

It was something like we went trow to sides and got tags and continued straight through and we had lots of brigs to block them out of our fort. I had replied when questioned is they take up lots of space, or something like that. I believe it failed hilariously because I fucked it up but it really wasn't a bad strat/trade. Anyone got that film?

[giantkillergeneral]

Was thinking a bit more about this, here is what my scorecard for a captain would look like, out of 100 points:

Either general ability, or could be used upon watching films to review a captain for each game and averaging it out:

Trade: 20 points
Squad Distributions: 15 points
Initial Orders/Strategy: 10 points
Adjusting Orders: 10 points
Unit Re-Distribution: 5 points

Sub-total out of 60

More subjective, and overall measures of a captain:

Impact on team morale: 10 points
Impact on team preparation (done before a match): 10
Overall impact on current team: 10 points
Overall potential impact on a different, average team (all 3 ballers): 10 points

Sub-total out of 40

Grand-total out of 100

[adrenaline]

you are basing this on ONE tournament you played with us? Ska, in fact, DOES make a lot of strats and is probably the most prolific poster in our private forums during tournaments. He impact on team morale is unquestionable. The fact that we, as a team, generally do not require much guidance in-game kind of masks the fact that he is very capable of giving orders all game, but he simply does not need to. Our core has played these maps as a team many many many times, and we basically just run on instinct... and it seems to work just fine.

[giantkillergeneral]

well I actually played 3 tournaments with you guys. Regardless, I've watched countless films of your team as well. No team is perfect. There have been some very obvious instances when NC needed some direction, and ska just never rose to the occasion. If you know the guy then you just know it isn't in his personality. Which is fine, nothing wrong with that. Was just frustrating for me to see that playing on that team. He does some other things well though, no doubt.

[myrk]

Aug 31, 2012 13:26:03 GMT 2 flatline said:

Aug 31, 2012 10:50:22 GMT 2 myrk said:

where's my best captain mention flat. fag

heh well actually i meant to mention you.

(15) Myrk - Back in 2k1 for 12" Club myrk probably capped most of our games (that mattered) and if i remember correctly I think it was myrk mb that actually made like *all* of our strats. Considering we were easily the 2nd best team in that tourney (and pretty close to being on par with np) that was quite an accomplishment. My memory sucks but I dont recall seeing myrk cap any tourney games after 2k1 but i may be incorrect. Which is a shame really since around 2k1 he was a pretty good captain.

Edit :
Oh myrk also capped and heavyhit for SaO(Squids and Otters) in NML and took what was probably an overall terrible team to a pretty respectable place probably almost singlehandedly. I may be slightly incorrect on this one too!

SaO was a crazy run, we got 3rd overall I think, beating out spin at the time which was insane when you compare their players to our players. SaO was mostly full of low-skill players with a couple of decent ones, while spin was more stacked. We did practice matches vs SF though, which was good training. I don't think SaO ever actually won a game vs SF although we could force a draw on the campy maps.
I think I capped '09's tcox team to a finals finish which is pretty good considering how horribly inactive that team was. We beat out some teams that were better on paper along the way.
The reason I don't cap these days is a) too inactive and b) it gets annoying losing games because people don't listen to orders, which is almost all the time when you're captain

[switch]

Do YOU have the 2009 finals replays, Myrk? Does anyone?

[par73]

Some people think ska was shaister's trusty side kick; but in reality shaister was ska's trusty side kick. while there were times when ska just never rose to the occasion, shai or someone else really needed to be there to help co-cap. all of these captains always had some kind of help or secondary insight with decision making.

[adrenaline]

NC stratting is always a team effort. There are no "co-captains", but there is always quite a bit of communication during games, which really minimizes the captains need to always be giving orders.

[dantski]

I was the greatest.

[asmo]

After reading all the replies I think I would keep my list the same. The only person I found hard to place was Hit because he didn't overlap in tournament play with these guys at their peaks as much as the other ones did.

Also those 3 original points that GKG made all support my quality capping as proven in this tournament.

The games I captained vs My Team we were competitive every game and managed to steal one. When I wasn't there we got Rape Dayed.

The Match I missed vs Ratking's team we lost 2-3. The match I played vs them in the DE and capped we won 4-1.

signed,

Trow Belt

[dantski]

lol @ bragging about 6v4 win

[asmo]

6v5 LOL

[flatline]

Aug 31, 2012 14:42:56 GMT 2 giantkillergeneral said:

well when I think of rating captains I like to assume that the captain is the one responsible for making strat's, giving orders, etc...the whole shebang from start to finish of the match. Otherwise being a captain is just a figurehead position that happens to be the one everyone joined.

Well i tend to agree with you. If you were to pick the best captains ever and clarify that even more to mean that the captain
(a) Makes the strats 80%+ themselves.
(b) Gives most the orders in game and such (especially when they are needed).
(c) Also plays in the game in the role they are required.
(d) Can heavyhit if required.
(e) Pretty much the whole she-bang.

Then the captain lists would possibly be revised a little.
I've found that on most teams I've participated on that the captain is usually the strat maker but that usually there is a degree of input on the strats by most the team members also so rarely did i ever play (BACK WHEN PEOPLE USED TO CARE) and the caps would be 100% responsibile for the strats. Nowadays or recently its actually the opposite and the caps generally do the strats 100% which is probably harder for those who have to captain.
There were some exceptions even back then but go into those later as a little rushed for time right now.

Saying that if you are talking captains who can and do "do it all" then the first two that come to mind are Rabican and GKG (Yourself).

RE: NC and ska.
Played them quite a few damn times in tourneys. Myself I had no idea who actually made their strats/trades and plans but assumed it was ska simply because he was always their captain.
My thoughts when I played them were a mixture of the following.

(a) I generally didnt fear their overall bc'ing skill *that* much. It was good undoubtedly and a few of their players were most certainly bc demons (adren,shai) but overall most the teams i was on i thought could hold our own at least when it came to the bcing. Not saying i was actually correct in this but it was my feelings at the time.

(b) I did fear their stellar teamwork, ability to nearly always pinch you at some point every game and *cruiser* your shit up, game awareness and the unpredictability of their strats/trades and gameplay. It always made them a tough out. The majority of times I played them I assumed their strats and teamwork would probably be better than ours and we would have to basically bc them to death to win our matches. Funnily enough I think most the times i played them the team i was on won the games we won by playing objectives and actually losing the bc so just lol.

[cremisi]

very much there is 2 or 3 ways to play a map and game and most caps know all of them , i think the only way you can judge who is a better cap is by taking a look at his clutch calls during the game and timing .