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Post by cremisi on Sept 21, 2012 2:31:41 GMT 2
The world would be a better place without religion. Period. its not religions fault that people are greedy dumb ass's , do you think Jesus will approve killing over a million Iragi or mohamed will approve some crack head blowing him self up to go to heaven (Which clearly he will not ) or Mouses screaming out loud THOUGH SHALL NOT KILL , will approve of what Israel is doing . if Christians were to be real Christians and Muslims were to be real Muslims and Jew's were to be real Jew's the world will be a better place . |
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Post by par73 on Sept 21, 2012 2:45:22 GMT 2
people just need to be people and stop denying they are people;
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Post by homer on Sept 21, 2012 2:46:50 GMT 2
The world would be a better place without religion. Period. its not religions fault that people are greedy dumb ass's , do you think Jesus will approve killing over a million Iragi or mohamed will approve some crack head blowing him self up to go to heaven (Which clearly he will not ) or Mouses screaming out loud THOUGH SHALL NOT KILL , will approve of what Israel is doing . if Christians were to be real Christians and Muslims were to be real Muslims and Jew's were to be real Jew's the world will be a better place . Cremisi laying it down. |
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Post by giantkillergeneral on Sept 21, 2012 2:56:34 GMT 2
not jumping down anyone's throat, don't be such a sensitive nancy. in reality i was trying to help you. someday you'll get it.
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Post by par73 on Sept 21, 2012 3:06:09 GMT 2
I've read over sam's evidence and everything he's worked out is deductive logic, while almost everyone else is using inductive logic to defend themselves from having an intelligent discussion to better understand the situation from a view where we, as persons, are only microscopic.
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Post by pogue on Sept 21, 2012 4:17:20 GMT 2
Yawn, this sums up religion in a nutshell:
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Post by milkman on Sept 21, 2012 6:25:49 GMT 2
Oh shit, did Paris just undergrad us?
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Post by flatline on Sept 21, 2012 6:29:42 GMT 2
This thread *cruisering* sucks.
It does not have grim's approval.
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Post by ratking on Sept 21, 2012 7:25:23 GMT 2
Cremisi is right in my opinion. The problem is that not many people actually gain a connection to a higher power through organized religion. Selfishness is not to be underestimated. I know the Bible talks about money more than any other vice for this very reason.
And promoting this type of crap sam is like saying we need more fear and anger in the world today. The men and women who serve this country home and abroad do a very good job in keeping us safe. Have some faith in them. Ultimately my faith lies with God, and I understand that whatever happens in this crazy world is part of his plan.
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Post by samthebutcher on Sept 21, 2012 14:20:11 GMT 2
I dont have time this morning to make a full response to defend my position so I'll have to do it later. I want it to be clear I'm not a racist and I'm not crazy. I'm a realist and I am willing to accept the truth how ever ugly I might think it is.
Also it is nice to see that this is turning into a more thought provoking debate other than just Trolling/Flaming. It is good to discuss World events especially at a time like now with so much going on.
Also I dont live in fear and I dont think anyone should. I believe people especially in times like now with so many potentially dangerous World events building up that people should be at least aware of what is going on. If you dont even know the truth about what is really happening there is nothing you can do about it or prepare for it. You are definitely not going to get the truth from tha mainstream (leftist) media as I pointed out in my original post. Who are trying to claim all of the turmoil in the Middle East is about a movie trailer. Yet many people believe that is all there is to it.
I am not saying that every person, (Cremisi) that says they are Muslim is a terrorist. Just like I dont think that every person that calls themselves a Christian is good. Briefly my point on that is there are a lot of people that call themselves Christians or Muslim when really they arent. If you call yourself a Christian you need to follow the teachings of Jesus and the very least you need to agree that what Jesus commanded people to do is correct and what you should do. The same goes for Islam and the teaching of Mohammad.
Here are just a couple of examples (there are a lot more) why I say that people that claim to be Christian or Muslim strictly speaking arent real Christians or real Muslims.
The Bible teaches that Jesus said: "43You have heard that it has been said, You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.
44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them who despitefully use you, and persecute you; and
"38 You have heard that it has been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39But I say unto you, That you resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also."
Now does every person that calls themselves "Christian" Pray for their enemies or turn the other cheek? No. Many people that claim to be Christian do the exact opposite and Hate on all kinds of people. So they arent really Christian even if they call themselves Christians. If you are not going to follow the teachings of the Bible (a Christians rule book) you are really just doing your own thing and calling yourself a Christian. At the very least you should believe what the Bible tells you to do is what you should do. Calling yourself something doesnt make you that.
If a tree grows apples someone can claim all day long it is a pear tree but its not.
The Koran teaches that Mohammad said:
"O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
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"Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9 "
Does every person that calls themselves "Muslim" refuse to take Christians and Jews as friends or make war against unbelievers? No they dont. I am sure Cremisi dont do those things. The same thing applies. If you are not going to follow the teachings of the Koran (a Muslims rule book) you are really just doing your own thing and calling yourself a Muslim. You should at the very least believe you should do what the Koran tells you to do. Calling yourself something doesnt make you that.
If a tree grows apples someone can claim all day long it is a pear tree but its not.
That is my point when I say 99% of all Muslims are extremist. Because if a Muslim truly follows the teachings of their God and does the things that he commanded them to do in order to be a true Muslim (as defined by Allah) its extreme. I dont know about you but I call making war on people just because they arent a Muslim or refusing to take Christians or Jews as friends extreme. You would have to be crazy not to think that was extreme.
I'll be gone all day but I will address some of the other points that people have made later. Especially Milkman who made a good solid argument.
With Love
StB
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Post by eastwind on Sept 21, 2012 15:05:31 GMT 2
if you followed every single word of the bible, you'd be an extremist too
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Post by guest on Sept 21, 2012 15:24:34 GMT 2
The world would be a better place without religion. Period. its not religions fault that people are greedy dumb ass's , do you think Jesus will approve killing over a million Iragi or mohamed will approve some crack head blowing him self up to go to heaven (Which clearly he will not ) or Mouses screaming out loud THOUGH SHALL NOT KILL , will approve of what Israel is doing . if Christians were to be real Christians and Muslims were to be real Muslims and Jew's were to be real Jew's the world will be a better place . Verse of the Sword: 9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful. Yes, if Muslims were to be real Muslims, the world would be a better place. Cremisi speaks real truth. L O L! Sam - East Wind is just applying a selective eastern view to the proceedings. Much like Obama, he suffers from anti-colonialist tendencies. Keep on speaking the real truth. Eventually, these nut jobs will get it. www.christianpost.com/news/muslim-desecrates-bible-in-pakistan-to-avenge-quran-burning-49767/I mean you didn't see Christians respond with world wide protests over this incident. Yet, for some reason we must equivocate Christianity & Islam! Oh yes, Cremisi is so wise. So noble. All religions are bad. It's absolutely clear that Christianity & Islam are equal offenders despite the fact that there is no proof what so ever that they are equal, unless you want to dredge up centuries old conflicts that were pre-Protestant Reformation as proof. (See: Crusades) - G |
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Post by honkey on Sept 21, 2012 15:35:25 GMT 2
Funny how you can draw parallels between modern day Islamic countries, and Christian countries of the middle ages. In the Islamic Calender it is 1433. What was Christianity like in 1433?
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Post by guest on Sept 21, 2012 15:38:01 GMT 2
In the Jewish calendar it is 5773. It's not as if Israel is 3 millennium more advanced than we are.
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Post by milkman on Sept 21, 2012 20:02:15 GMT 2
9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful. This passage is why Jews, for example, were better off in Muslim nations and empires until the latter half of the 20th century. As "people of the book," like Christians, they could simply pay a levy and continue worshiping as they pleased. In Christian Europe, on the other hand, from the Middle Ages well into the 20th century Jews were subject to cyclical pogroms and confinement to ghettos, culminating in the holocaust 60 years ago or so. Much like Obama, he suffers from anti-colonialist tendencies. I would hope that any sensible person would "suffer" from anti-colonialist tendencies. Are you pro-colonialist? So you think we actually have the capacity and willingness to recolonize a world in which we can't even seem to manage a basic "peace keeping" operation? I mean you didn't see Christians respond with world wide protests over this incident. Because the secularization of European states and the advent of a popular atheism/agnostic current in the west has largely defanged and marginalized political Christianity. This is not to say that secular states are innocent either, not by any stretch of the imagination. Its funny though, you people are so vague... for instance are the atrocities committed by Qaddafi a symptom of the "evil muslim," though his ideology was drawn more heavily from other sources (Maoism, 3rd Worldism, etc)? How about Mubarak, who was basically a Capitalist-Authoritarian Technocrat? Are all Palestinians "angry Muslims" though many are actually Christian, and many others explicitly fight as Nationalists, not Islamicists? All religions are bad. It's absolutely clear that Christianity & Islam are equal offenders despite the fact that there is no proof what so ever that they are equal, unless you want to dredge up centuries old conflicts that were pre-Protestant Reformation as proof. (See: Crusades) Just since the 80s (not counting examples from previous post): the Sabra & Shatila Massacre, bombings in Northern Ireland, the LRA's mass murder, mutilation, and child-sex slavery, massacres of Albanians by Serbs, and hey, what about these guys?  Closer to home: STB, Guest (who?), should I assume you two were enthusiastic about incidents such as the bombings/arsons of abortion clinics and the hate killings of gays, like that poor guy who got dragged behind a truck to death in Laramie? Remember you can't argue that all these aren't real Christians because you already shot down this argument with respect to crem and Islam. You're either a cross burning christian militant or you're not!  I'm assuming this "nutcase" post will be ignored just like my previous one was (particularly the part about the diversity of both Islamic and Christian beliefs). Again, I am not trying to say Islam, the secular State, or Christianity is more "moral" than the other. By the moral reckoning of each of these systems the competing systems are immoral, obviously. My point is that these systems or registers of belief are tools that can be interpreted and used for all kind of political or economic interests. |
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