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Post by flatline on Aug 25, 2012 6:23:57 GMT 2
I think it's good that you guys have conflicting ideas so that this doesn't become some kind of elitist thing where only a few are allowed to play but at the same time isn't just a noob fest...that is why there is going to be a set time so good games happen. You can find bad games all the time on mariusnet. Anyways how I see it, I wouldn't want to exclude the "lesser" players but I sure would give priority to the better ones to preserve the quality of the games. Also About doing 2t or Tffa...I'm not going to set anything in stone and just let the players decide who show up, personally I prefer big 2t games but this isn't about me. I guess what you are saying is sort of what i was saying. I'd sooner give priority to the better players if there was a game going as it would make for more competitive games for sure and i dont recall the last time i played a good series of say 8v8 good players besides in tourney games. but if there were some open spots in the game/games i'd certainly be letting "lesser" players be joining in. If the captain is giving them the right units and instructions and such they shouldnt ruin the games but would probably help their competitive game skill-level improve i would think (for the most part anyway). |
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Post by waywardone on Aug 26, 2012 8:06:01 GMT 2
I don't think random show-up-and-plays work or sustain. I hosted two weeks' worth after the last mwc I played in (09) and it fizzled hard. Too large a % of the population still has definitive preferences as to what they want to play. If enough for 2t aren't showing up, there's a contingent that won't bother. Same thing the other way with ffa. Then there's the "quality games only" faction, players who don't bother if there's not enough good players to get the games to a minimum level of competency.
I have my druthers, too, of course, but they're repressed for the sake of being a genteel host.
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Post by drunken on Aug 26, 2012 9:57:31 GMT 2
really gkg first comment shows how much of a complete cunt this guy is. Really I thought the guy had some brains but now it seems he just another guy watching himself to much in the mirror.
If the "garbage players as GKG put it were taken away like Cruniac then we would end up with less exciting games.
What makes a captain a good and a great captain is using the resources you have to pull off victories, if the "cruniac" players were divided equally it would be up to the captains to utilise and out think his opponent. Not to let everyone just duke it out.
A better solution is to remove AFK players that do not show more than half of the QR games should be disbanded from all the teams.
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Post by giantkillergeneral on Aug 26, 2012 14:55:46 GMT 2
actually we just played a series of rabble games yesterday that really proved my point about removing newbies. removing them and putting the password on really made for much better games. asmo and others can testify.
drunken didn't you lose to cruniac in some 1v1s? saying something outlandish like how a good player is actually a complete newbie is not an insult to that player but instead just shows how completely butthurt and delusional you are. cruniac was drafted 9th. you were drafted after 39 players were picked. one of only 4 players that was picked so low that no captain even legitimately picked you. you are in the company of players such as empy phil, raven, and somnus. take a hint.
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Post by amino1 on Aug 26, 2012 15:56:13 GMT 2
actually we just played a series of rabble games yesterday that really proved my point about removing newbies. removing them and putting the password on really made for much better games. asmo and others can testify. Just because you enjoyed some games doesn't mean that they would have been poor had you not gone the route of exclusivity. But you're certainly free to think so, I suppose. |
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Post by giantkillergeneral on Aug 26, 2012 16:35:13 GMT 2
well LN, like I said we played some games with newbies, then removed them by passwording the game. everyone agreed that the games were better and more fun after removing them. not sure how else to interpret that.
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Post by amino1 on Aug 26, 2012 17:28:00 GMT 2
No need to explain. I read you loud and clear.
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Post by waywardone on Aug 26, 2012 17:47:23 GMT 2
in the company of players such as empy phil Don't give drunken too much credit. Empy had a helluva match last week  *cruiser*, now I jinxed it. [edit] My fucks aren't censored! |
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Post by pogue on Aug 26, 2012 17:51:08 GMT 2
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Post by par73 on Aug 26, 2012 19:24:46 GMT 2
actually we just played a series of rabble games yesterday that really proved my point about removing newbies. removing them and putting the password on really made for much better games. asmo and others can testify. drunken didn't you lose to cruniac in some 1v1s? saying something outlandish like how a good player is actually a complete newbie is not an insult to that player but instead just shows how completely butthurt and delusional you are. cruniac was drafted 9th. you were drafted after 39 players were picked. one of only 4 players that was picked so low that no captain even legitimately picked you. you are in the company of players such as empy phil, raven, and somnus. take a hint. empy phil had 12-1 ratios on lichen last week i think somnus got into a great position last week with a dwarf and helped team asmo win the first game of the asmo vs. karma series. what have raven and drunken done? chances are raven will be coming up big long before drunken does ! |
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Post by asmo on Aug 26, 2012 20:00:00 GMT 2
I really don't know how to say this kindly so I won't LOL ... anyways I have nothing against noobs and will give them a chance if they will LISTEN and are willing to learn, but that isn't the case most of the time in my experience...there is a place for noobs to learn myth 2 and this shouldn't be in a game full of solid players as they will just get wrecked and most likely quit the game bc it appears not to be fun for them after that experience.
Just this morning I was capping some rabble game of a mix of good/noob players. I gave icu 6 mauls and a lock on clash fr to guard a flag....after it was clear the other team wasn't going to pressure that flag at all I told him to bring up 3 mauls and his lock to an enemy flag to try and take it. I told him this 7 times and he didn't read chat or just ignored me the whole time...finally he sent his lock literally like 2 minutes later and said "im going" and then I said bring 3 of your mauls or your lock is just gona die...he then said I sent all (even though it was clear all his mauls were still on d) to make a long and boring story short as this is already too long I figured out that he randomly gave his mauls to eastwind for no reason...
Anyways what GKG said was correct we had the best myth 2 games I have played all year by pwing the game. When we didn't pw it and allowed just a few noobs in the game the games were really just awful to be honest. We would random and if the 2 noobs in the game (I think it was 2) got stuck on the same team the game was already over before it started, there was no point in playing and really 8/10 people were just wasting their time.
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Post by giantkillergeneral on Aug 26, 2012 20:30:56 GMT 2
well said, well said
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Post by flatline on Aug 27, 2012 1:57:59 GMT 2
. you are in the company of players such as empy phil, raven, and somnus. take a hint. To be honest those 3 players have played quite well in general in this mini draft tourney so far with the units they have been given. Only been teaming with raven but every game ive played with him he's done pretty good i thought. Empy and somnus seem to be doing alright also  Edit: Actually last week i was immediately impressed with raven on spinach fr when he was on flag with me and first thing he did was mortar block gkg's first lock shot (i was pretty surprised). Also today on the only game we won (tam koth) he had a mortar in mid and managed to keep it alive nearly all game while also actually killing shit. Empy played pretty good last week and this week also. Somnus played sometimes awesome somtimes hilarious last week but overall pretty good. In short i think the "lesser" players that have participated in this mini tourney have so far stepped up and played rather well in general. |
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Post by samthebutcher on Aug 27, 2012 6:36:03 GMT 2
. you are in the company of players such as empy phil, raven, and somnus. take a hint. To be honest those 3 players have played quite well in general in this mini draft tourney so far with the units they have been given. Only been teaming with raven but every game ive played with him he's done pretty good i thought. Empy and somnus seem to be doing alright also Edit: Actually last week i was immediately impressed with raven on spinach fr when he was on flag with me and first thing he did was mortar block gkg's first lock shot (i was pretty surprised). Also today on the only game we won (tam koth) he had a mortar in mid and managed to keep it alive nearly all game while also actually killing shit. Empy played pretty good last week and this week also. Somnus played sometimes awesome somtimes hilarious last week but overall pretty good. In short i think the "lesser" players that have participated in this mini tourney have so far stepped up and played rather well in general. I think you make a good point here. There are some players that just need some direction and can actually do pretty good with some support from better players. I know for myself I dont have a lot of 2 tm experience. Being on Karmas team I have learned more about 2 tm games. It is also nice for me that I dont have to Capt and then make sure my team is following the strat. I like being given a particular role and just needing to worry about that. I also think just teaming and playing with better players improves, lesser skilled players, that want to learn. If the player rosters are fairly even like Asmo's tourney is a mix of player skills on all teams I think thing balance out. That is the part that I think is important is for the teams to have even skill levels. 1 bad player on each team balances out. 2 bad players one one team is almost instant lose. We need to be as inclusive as possible to keep players playing. Most will get better the more they play, but if they are basically ran off by insults or not being included in the community they usually leave. I think however something like this is done it needs to some how accommodate any serious player good or bad. |
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Post by waywardone on Aug 27, 2012 10:57:19 GMT 2
Insults and shit talk are part of it. To be a reliable teammate, you have to be mentally tough. The weak are culled in multiple ways. Even good players screw up and get called out for it, with all the eloquence of a... (hmm, what's a phrase that can get me called "old") ...sailor on shore leave. If one feels compelled to defend himself when called an idiot, chances are it's true.
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