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Post by giantkillergeneral on Aug 24, 2012 16:27:28 GMT 2
flat, as i said it is up to the captains to determine who they want. they can decide who qualifies or not. it would be bad to force them to take players that they don't want. capping takes a lot of work and is a thankless job, we shouldn't make their job any harder or else they will not volunteer to cap anymore or just leave. it is hard enough to find good captains to step up as it is. this is why it is important to get caps who want to actually try to win to push the quality of the games. if the captains dont want the players, then remove them from the game, it may also make room for other better players.
i know i personally am going to get bored very quickly with the games if there is even just 1 or 2 bad players ruining it. i'm sure other good players feel the same. it is a necessary sacrifice.
and adren i really doubt people are that interested in ffa. no reason not to just ask everyone and try it i guess, but that would make scorekeeping much more difficult. i know i wouldn't play ffas, i hate ffas. just shows who can play like the bigger bitch in not fighting anyone to get a win. ffas should have been weighted 50% for Bc placement and 50% for gametype placement to make them actually about real fighting skill.
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Post by adrenaline on Aug 24, 2012 16:33:40 GMT 2
i don't think anyone mentioned scoring these games... from what i read, it sounded more like an idea to get as many people on the server as possible. this should be used as an opportunity to rekindle some interest in the game, not solely as an opportunity for good games. I enjoy good, competitive games as much as the next guy, don't get me wrong. But it's nice to have choice between FFA and 2-team. More people on the server = more games.
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Post by dantski on Aug 24, 2012 17:01:45 GMT 2
Oh the lols...
False, takes very little time and effort. If you want to spend lots of time strategizing on a 14 year old game thats up to you.
With 1 exception my team always thanked me for capping, don't know what its like for you bro.
Just LOL, nothing else to say really.
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Post by flatline on Aug 24, 2012 18:18:44 GMT 2
Newbies need love too  I think theres probably quite a few players who's play would be considerately improved in regards to your skill level requirements by simply playing in real competitive games with myth's elite in games such as these ones being talked about. ie. probably some of the same players that are playing in asmo draft tourney right now and gaining valuable mything skill improvement in regards to competitive games as they are on teams with better players who already possess these skills so the lesser players are not under the same pressure or something i guess. bleh what a sentence. Regardless I just think some of the decent (but not hardened myth tourney players) on mnet probably would like to play if given the opportunity. Doesnt matter though since i'm a member of myth's elite I guess i'll get to play so it's good for me either way. |
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Post by giantkillergeneral on Aug 24, 2012 19:18:25 GMT 2
well w/e, do w/e u guys want. just my 2 cents. i guess i would have to consider if i wanted to show up to play in that just like everything else. ultimately do whatever gets people to show up
LOL yourself dantski, as if I was talking about strategizing. fact of the matter is it does take more effort to think of trades and hand out units. it is enough effort to discourage lazy mythers from wanting to cap all of the time. there are few volunteers for capping.
yea you get thanked for capping tournament teams. obviously i was talking about these rabble games.
butthurt much? stop being such a chode.
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Post by flatline on Aug 24, 2012 19:34:23 GMT 2
well w/e, do w/e u guys want. just my 2 cents. i guess i would have to consider if i wanted to show up to play in that just like everything else. ultimately do whatever gets people to show up LOL yourself dantski, as if I was talking about strategizing. fact of the matter is it does take more effort to think of trades and hand out units. it is enough effort to discourage lazy mythers from wanting to cap all of the time. there are few volunteers for capping. yea you get thanked for capping tournament teams. obviously i was talking about these rabble games. butthurt much? stop being such a chode. Well if given the choice of playing these style games weekly or whatever came down to playing with/vs the better players such as yourself or playing them without the better players and instead with the newbs then I of course would choose the better players as the games would certainly be more competitive and probably fun. I would just envision that regularly you wouldnt get a full 7vs7 or 8vs8 of all just myth's elite so youd probably want to have some of the non-elite play would be my guess! |
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Post by giantkillergeneral on Aug 24, 2012 19:53:49 GMT 2
like i said, its subjective and can change week to week. im not saying make a blacklist of newbs that aren't invited, im saying leave it up to the captains. this actually would make a great incentive for newbs to get better so that they COULD attend these weekly matchups. make them earn it.
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Post by adrenaline on Aug 24, 2012 20:00:13 GMT 2
maybe in an ideal world they'd see it as motivation to improve... but in reality, i'm sure they just give up. and not everyone is blessed with the gift of an ability to improve.... as evidenced by the plethora of 2-ball veterans on mnet. i'd rather just let them play... set 2 captains and random rest OR kickball... whatever. these players can easily be given minimal roles that they can't do much damage (to their team) with. As long as they aren't forced to captain (via rdm), they shouldn't degrade the quality of the games enough to suck the fun out of it. again, this is not meant to be a formal tournament or anything... just a chance to get enough people on the server for some decent games.
but ya... obviously if there are enough GOOD players on the server to fill a game, we can easily just PW the game and save the newbs the humiliation of being booted.
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Post by giantkillergeneral on Aug 24, 2012 20:10:40 GMT 2
w/e. personally I would show up and see how it goes, but I see it ruin so many potentially good games, and I could easily see a situation where I would say *cruiser* it and bounce.
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Post by asmo on Aug 24, 2012 20:30:52 GMT 2
I think it's good that you guys have conflicting ideas so that this doesn't become some kind of elitist thing where only a few are allowed to play but at the same time isn't just a noob fest...that is why there is going to be a set time so good games happen. You can find bad games all the time on mariusnet.
Anyways how I see it, I wouldn't want to exclude the "lesser" players but I sure would give priority to the better ones to preserve the quality of the games. Also About doing 2t or Tffa...I'm not going to set anything in stone and just let the players decide who show up, personally I prefer big 2t games but this isn't about me.
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Post by adrenaline on Aug 24, 2012 20:51:37 GMT 2
i don't see any reason why there can't be a FFA and 2-team game running simultaneously, if enough people show up.
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Post by pogue on Aug 24, 2012 21:12:51 GMT 2
Also About doing 2t or Tffa...I'm not going to set anything in stone and just let the players decide who show up, personally I prefer big 2t games but this isn't about me. I prefer big 2t games as well but if you are on the losing team in say 3 games in a row, it get frustrating as you all know, so I would be down for a 16 player game mixing it up with 2t and tffa, but I also agree with adren, if we had enough people, I don't see why we couldn't have a 2t and tffa/ffa games going on at the same time. |
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Post by asmo on Aug 24, 2012 21:19:29 GMT 2
i don't see any reason why there can't be a FFA and 2-team game running simultaneously, if enough people show up. this would be ideal and if this thing gets rolling and we have 30ish players showing up then this can happen for sure. |
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Post by amino1 on Aug 25, 2012 1:24:32 GMT 2
maybe in an ideal world they'd see it as motivation to improve... but in reality, i'm sure they just give up. and not everyone is blessed with the gift of an ability to improve.... as evidenced by the plethora of 2-ball veterans on mnet. i'd rather just let them play... set 2 captains and random rest OR kickball... whatever. these players can easily be given minimal roles that they can't do much damage (to their team) with. As long as they aren't forced to captain (via rdm), they shouldn't degrade the quality of the games enough to suck the fun out of it. again, this is not meant to be a formal tournament or anything... just a chance to get enough people on the server for some decent games. but ya... obviously if there are enough GOOD players on the server to fill a game, we can easily just PW the game and save the newbs the humiliation of being booted. Suddenly uninterested. Why don't you get it off the ground first and make the rules dynamically. Enough speculation about peoples' motives. |
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Post by rambone on Aug 25, 2012 1:52:25 GMT 2
IMO the whole point of this thing is new players, if there are any. There certainly won't be enough to ruin games. If the 2 (might be exagerating) new players on the server are allowed to ruin the games, then whos fault is that?
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