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Post by bigkrokv8ss on May 11, 2012 6:31:29 GMT 2
YOU CAN'T OUTSPAM ME BRO I'M ON THE INTERNETS 24/7 OLOKOLOKMOLKMOLM
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Post by vihaan on May 11, 2012 6:38:28 GMT 2
lol -64 and going strong
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Post by homer on May 11, 2012 6:43:21 GMT 2
From reading the bible, I am fairly convinced that the new testament is crucially about faith- not necessarily faith in god, but faith in general. One of my favourite new testament parables is the one about Jesus and the storm, Mark 4:35-40. The point is clearly that fear must be conquered and to conquer fear one must have faith. I like to interpret that as faith in oneself. I think you are absolutely right about that in that it is about faith in one self as well as God, faith in God is rather ineffective if one has zero faith in his or herself. I think that scripture is really good and I heard a specific message talking about what you are saying. But to make it entirely about faith in oneself is ignoring scripture which directly points to God and then you start getting into self-worship in a sense, "I CAN DO ANYTHING!!!" You can do all things in Christ, including miracles, not just yourself though. Faith in self alone will only take you so far and can lead to a conceded distorted view of ones own greatness. Also if the new testament isn't crucially about faith in God as well and I would argue primarily over the faith in self view which is a great point though, why does it mention him (the father) or Jesus the son or the holy spirit at all? Makes no sense would've been much easier to make a few stupid fictional guys who just believed in themselves and be like yeah!!! See BOB you can do it!!! If you take God out of it, you mind as well just put Rob Schneider into his 30th Adam Sandler movie yelling "you can do it" dressed as an ethnic minority again. The story lacks substance without the truth of the miracle, which reveals the disciples lack of faith in themselves and God, but also is one more example that Christ is the son of God commanding weather, death, demons, sickness, and everything else. No need for Christ in the story posing as the Son of God if we can do all things purely through faith in our selves. right? |
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Post by homer on May 11, 2012 6:59:28 GMT 2
Run out and kill someone then, you won't. Is the idea of seven deadly sins biblical? Yes and no. Proverbs 6:16-19 declares, “There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: 1) haughty eyes, 2) a lying tongue, 3) hands that shed innocent blood, 4) a heart that devises wicked schemes, 5) feet that are quick to rush into evil, 6) a false witness who pours out lies, and 7) a man who stirs up dissension among brothers. <----CU? LOL” However, this list is not what most people understand as the seven deadly sins. No i was talking about sloth gluttony greed etc etc Oh ok, so what you don't think greed is a sin? Or sloth? What a useful life a person who weighs 600 lb's lives when their family has to sacrifice their time, wealth, and very happiness to serve them just enough food to sustain their daily caloric intake of 10,000 calories. That's sloth and gluttony in one example, and i've been called to lift these people from their homes to take them to the ER almost monthly for the fire department I used to volunteer at, and it's no joke, they smell like hell, and it take 6-10 guys just to get them to the hospital, the person is miserable and humiliated every time and they can't lead a happy life. That's an extreme example but it's actually getting more common especially in the U.S. unfortunately. But your right probably just a load of crap..... How bout the multi-millionaire who has a car collection and more houses than he has kids, and then there are people living on side of the Ganges in India cutting their children's limbs off to attract pity from tourists for spare change. Now their is greed, shit I'm probably guilty of all of these to some lesser degree in my life, I know i've eaten whole pizza's for no good reason. But the 7 deadly sins are a myth, not biblical, there is no sin not forgiven by Jesus other than to live your whole life time and never accept him as your savior. |
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Post by vihaan on May 11, 2012 7:12:21 GMT 2
Life is unfair and we have to live with it.
Just because a person's fat he's a sinner and must be punished?
If everyone goes around saying "hey that guys richer than me, he's greedy, he must be punished" its absolutely ridiculous because he's there in the first place because of something he did.
Furthermore envy's a sin so you really can't go around complaining in the first place
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Post by grim on May 11, 2012 7:48:08 GMT 2
Dawkins is just reflecting his view in a mechanistic universe which is essentially a Hobbesian reality: life without the leviathan is "solitary, nasty, brutish and short" Which is of course why the state exists. This doesn't follow. Atoms grouped together become more than their whole. When enough neurons fire in a particular order and the brain is flooded with enough dopamine, the result is indeed "love" or "joy" or X in the mechanistic sense. In the platonic sense of the forms, the idea of love or joy or X emotion may not be achievable, but the "cold, random, reality" is no less real. It seems like a pretty silly argument to suggest that if evolution is true therefore love is not real. That's just a mean way of telling people who believe in God they shouldn't believe in mechanistic evolution otherwise their emotions are not legitimate. Very mean indeed. Bottom line, there's no way to know if this reality is "real" in the sense of not being a dream or simulation or virtual reality, but that doesn't really matter because in the immediate human scale of things, pain, love, death, life, etc are all legitimate visceral experiences. Btw, Homer, how do you reconcile pascal's wager with your belief in the specifically Abrahamic deity? Yes it is saying that if you believe in mechanistic evolution your emotions are nothing greater than chemicals (no matter how strong the firing of neurons may be), because it's true, and it may be mean but it's your choice to believe in a purely evolutionary sense of lfie, but it's true, your emotions although powerful are still nothing more than chemical reactions in the brain if you strictly believe in mechanistic evolution void of spirit that is what you are left with, this is what you have chosen. Of course it doesn't change that we all feel the entire spectrum, of human emotion. the point was your emotions are now made pointless, as they have no greater spiritual meaning or purpose, they are simply there for self preservation and perhaps the preservation of those you care about, but then how do you explain the evolutionary drive to care about people you don't really know, who are not offspring or family, or even friends??? Is our evolutionary drive so strong to further the existence of all of Mankind not just to those we "love"? Even with billions of people on the Earth is it just mechanistic evolution that drives us to further the species even when the OVERpopulation in some areas is the very thing killing the species? And if mechanistic evolution is there for self preservation and the expansion of one's species then why do we kill each other with war, why do some kill themselves?? IF evolution is driven by procreation and survival why hasn't over millions of year a homosexual trait weeded itself out by now, surely homosexuality is not in the best interest of a species trying to thrive and procreate. The last time I checked two men could not procreate, and neither could two women, although science I'm sure can change that eventually. How do I reconcile Pascals Wager with the one Abrahamic God, Yaweh? What is there to reconcile? If you are asking me do I believe in God and Christ as his son because if i'm wrong, i might go to hell, so do I just believe in Christ as fire insurance so to speak? No. I do not fear the alternative of an afterlife which is nothing. or lack of existence, and I do believe we all deserve Hell and are going if not for belief in Christ, but I choose to believe in God daily because he has been faithful to me, and revealed himself to me in the ways he's worked in my life. When I no longer wanted to live, because I saw no meaning in living for myself, and was even apathetic to the thought of hurting my parents through suicide, I put my trust in God, and it was the only thing that kept me from death, many people will read that and instead of giving credit to God, they will say I was weak but somehow also strong and that out of some very very very subconscious will for self preservation I convinced myself that there is indeed a God, so that I may find purpose to go on living, if that is how you wish to see it so be it.  |
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Post by enculator on May 11, 2012 13:55:43 GMT 2
exactly my feeling !
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Post by blardtholomew on May 11, 2012 18:47:48 GMT 2
grim.
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Post by guest on May 11, 2012 18:55:14 GMT 2
No. I do not fear the alternative of an afterlife which is nothing. or lack of existence, and I do believe we all deserve Hell and are going  I told you she won't let me leave - she won't let anyone leave. |
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Post by homer on May 11, 2012 19:18:59 GMT 2
S-bomb gets dropped and I tap out. I will say however that being Christian isn't an excuse to being ignorant, see to that 10,000 year question. S- bomb? Oh please. Great way to ignore my questions. I don't think in anyway I said being a Christian leaves you with an excuse to be ignorant, I said pretty clearly that it's everyone's responsibility to seek truth and validate their beliefs, I also said there is so much information today and exposure to so many "expert opinions" through school, t.v., internet, church, basically everywhere that it's more effort than ever before in History to sift through information to find truth, not an excuse just a reality that time becomes an issue, far easier to develop a sense of total apathy to truth and just say "whatever" which is what I've done for a long time admittedly in the past and which is why I'm not as knowledgeable as I should be now. But in no way did I say my beliefs are an excuse to be ignorant. Please respond to the questions I asked you previously. |
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Post by homer on May 11, 2012 19:27:51 GMT 2
Life is unfair and we have to live with it. Just because a person's fat he's a sinner and must be punished? If everyone goes around saying "hey that guys richer than me, he's greedy, he must be punished" its absolutely ridiculous because he's there in the first place because of something he did. Furthermore envy's a sin so you really can't go around complaining in the first place No one is saying he must be punished for being fat? Not sure where you are getting that from. God designed the Universe so that the natural consequences of our Sin more often than not make our lives more difficult than they need be, I used being massively obese as an example because you said you had a problem with gluttony as even being a sin. How many obese people do you know, who want to lose weight because they are unhappy being overweight? Being over weight causes health problems and a general negative self image, which is all just a natural consequence of the sin of gluttony and sloth. I'm not complaining about rich people being rich or fat people being fat, just examples, pretty content with what I have in life, and envy or coveting is a sin, you are right, why do you acknowledge that as a sin, but consider greed, sloth and gluttony to be of no consequence? |
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Post by blardtholomew on May 11, 2012 19:40:10 GMT 2
S- bomb? Oh please. Great way to ignore my questions. your questions have been answered, multiple times and in increasingly simple language. for anyone here to continue would be a waste of time. |
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Post by guest on May 11, 2012 19:42:56 GMT 2
Homer. the elements that make you you are far older than 10,000 years old, they are only created in supernova explosions. You would be aware of this if you knew basic astronomy, among other things.
I don't care whether you are a Christian or a druid who enjoys his Saturdays breaking Nicholas Cage's legs and throwing him into a giant wicker man, you're completely irrelevant to me. My only further purpose in this thread would be to troll and mock you endlessly and I honestly wouldn't find much personal satisfaction in that. Unlike others, I have absolutely no interest in ridding you of your beliefs nor do I care to learn in more detail about them, have a nice life.
My final thoughts are that you're 1) obviously too mentally weak to handle life without religion 2) misogynistic 3) a homophobe 4) hysterically ignorant about basic scientific principles 5) hopeless and 6) thank god we're not related.
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Post by Hadzenegger!!! on May 11, 2012 21:01:38 GMT 2
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Post by honkey on May 11, 2012 21:12:34 GMT 2
Funny thread. You have several people that have marginzlied my beliefs, yet at the same time call believing in organized religion "lunacy" but when i slap truth right in their face they have there own form of denial and coping mechanisms, and tired cliches to support their fragile belief system. Funny too how the organized religion being bashed by many in this thread has been extremely influential in centralizing control of seperate soveriegn entities and have been highly successful. Apply your same thought process towards religion to governments, substitute the word God for money, and you have now discovered what I have been talking about for years (and been scoffed at) on these forums. Organized religion, and global banking are exactly the same things. A way to bend the will of masses over "sovereign borders" and enslave them to a far more dangerous system. NOW LETS GO HUNT SOME TERRORISTS LADIES. (see spanish inquisition).
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