Exposing lies about Libya

[amino1]

So you basically state I am wrong and your evidence to back that up is the spurious claim that if I knew more then I would agree with you. Very persuasive argument. Especially as you seem to assume that I know less than you. Kind of presumptuous, no?

And you "disprove" what I said about the Bible by selectively quoting again. All that proves is that the Bible is not self-consistent on its surface. Before you jump to conclusions about what I believe contrast Matthew 10:34 with Matthew 26:52. How do you reconcile those statements?

And if you engage in apologetics, how can you be certain that it is a process incompatible with the Koran? Please, no more circular arguments.

And if you believe that you are fighting on the side of righteousness in some kind of romanticized attempt to bring about the end of days, may I suggest meditating on Amos 5:18.

[samthebutcher]

Sept 18, 2012 22:09:34 GMT 2 honkey said:

Americans hav massacred more muslims than vice versa and we have bankrupted our country bombing mud huts across the globe. This is like a bully claiming they are a victim after a nerd punches them back after years of abuse. Sam you are just as idiotic as the liberals you despise

Honkey did you at least read the teachings of the koran or watch the video? Like I said those are just the tip of the iceburg of what islam is truly about. Yes America has killed more muslims than vice-versa. Here is what you are missing though. THEY the muslims are the one calling for violence. THEY are the ones suppressing the people around them. I mean WTF they still have African Slaves. Learn a little bit more about them before you comment about and think like you do. America hasnt been perfect especially with Obama in office. We shouldnt have supported this so called "muslim spring" all that did was increase the violence and put the muslim brotherhood in control. But over all as Americans and as a people (not our current government) we are defenders of freedom and have saved the world at least 2x. It is our DUTY to stop those evil people before they can do even more damage. If America wasnt in the Middle East fighting these people and somewhat keeping them contained. They would be able to direct all of their resources to attacking and killing other countries such as Israel. Just imaging if those maniacs over there with their beliefs didnt have America over there to slow them down. Iran would have nukes right now. WW3 would have already started if they were left alone to build up their strength. There probably wouldnt be a Middle East right now if America didnt step in and restrain them. Listen to their words, listen to what they say they want to do, look at what they teach their children. (Its in the video from their own mouths). If it wasnt for America killing the muslims like we have been, the middle east and the World would be 10x worse, and tens of millions of MORE people would be dead. I guess we shouldnt have kill Osama or any of the other terrorist leaders either. Just left them alone so they could kill and destroy totally unrestrained.

Really man your idiotic to believe that America can sit back and ignore the threat that the middle east and muslims are to the World.

If your neighbor told you "I hate you and as soon as I can afford a gun. I am going to sneak into your house and murder you and your family." And you knew he meant it with everything in him.

Would you just sit back and say "Oh well. I'll wait until he is standing in my bedroom with a gun to my head before I do anything."

Cause I know I would take the SOB out as soon as he made the threat.

That is exactly the situation America, Israel and the rest of the non-muslim world faces with islam.

Dont believe me? Start by watching that video and then you can find enough evidence of the threat of islam to take a year to learn it all.


BTW they may have mud huts but they also have massive weapons and either they already have in some mid east countries or are working on having nukes. It only takes 1 nuke to kill millions and maybe cause the World to spiral out of control. But I guess even though Iran has said over and over again and have dedicated all of their resources to get a Nuke with one main goal to destroy Isreal and the rest of the non-muslim World. America should just leave them alone. Why should America stop maniacs from having Nukes? Its non of Americas business. Right? Thats what you believe? That is idiotic.

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[eastwind]

The problem isn't muslims, its fundamentalist muslims... same with any religious fundamentals. Also correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Jesus valued compassion not hatred. I'm neither muslim or christian, but seriously how can you make statements that 99% of muslims are evil? What about the muslims in the US Army fighting in iraq?

Secondly Glenn Beck is not a credible source of information – what credentials does this guy have?
Let's take a look at the definition of a demagogue: A political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument. Hmm.

Also you said Obama has been helping Al-Queda? Did he order the killing of Bin Laden as a joke?

I'd like to end this by saying... this isn't about liberals and conservatives – its about backing up blatantly offensive facts. You are making blanket statements without any proof – and no Glenn Beck videos will not *cruisering* stand up in court.

[honkey]

Sam is a victim of the powers that be telling him that people 3000 miles away are messing his life up more than the hedge fund traders and bankers weapons and drug companies that really ruin his life.

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And ya Sam you are right answer me the only country to bet use a nuke I forget who that is.

[samthebutcher]

Sept 18, 2012 22:42:37 GMT 2 cremisi said:

Sept 18, 2012 20:40:07 GMT 2 samthebutcher said:

I'm not trolling. Here is my proof that 99% of Muslims are radical and if you arent radical you arent a true Muslim.

Here is what the koran teaches. Just a few quotes. Basically islam teaches that you must kill ALL non-muslims or non believers. Actually seek them out and murder them and be rewarded by allah.

Here is your proof.
commands to kill infidels

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98


On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161


Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

KORAN commands to kill infidels:

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

(yes God if you do not believe in God he dose not like you ) Shocking ..

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

same as above

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Out of context learn how to read , really ... this Soura is describing a battle that took place centuries ago so unless you are
living somewhat in the 7th century (which i am sure you are not ) and belong to the Qurish tribe (which you are not ) and on a battle field ready to kill who believes in God (which you are not ) trust me you have nothing to worry about , unless you are ignorant and you want to believe that that you are all of the above then that is your business




i can go on and on but i do not have time to teach people how to read stuff so basically learn Arabic and read it for your self , then LYAO at what you typed above .

Cremisi you try to deny some of the teachings of the koran. Like this.

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

(yes God if you do not believe in God he dose not like you ) Shocking ..

It doesnt matter if another person believes in God or not. IT IS what the muslims believe that matters.

Watch the video it has multiple religious leader telling masses of muslim that "They must kill infidels, Jew ect" Or what about the children on a kids show telling kids to kill Jews. These beliefs in what I quoted from the koran are pervasive through out the muslim world. Watch the video if you dont believe me. I cant sit here and type out everything that is said or shown in that video. It is all from the mouths of muslims. I have been learning about the threat of islam for a couple years now and have done a lot of research looking at things from both sides. Believe me what I quoted from the koran IS what the majority of muslims believe and if someone claims to be a muslim and doesnt adhere to those teaches they themselves are considered infidels. I am not going to write a book here with all the evidence to support what I am telling you. If you cant watch the video and then tell me the video isnt true and the stuff the muslims say and do is some how not true. Then there really is no point for me to explain more. Stick you head back in thye sand close your eyes and maybe it will all go away. Or Do some research on what muslims really believe. From their own mouths, teachings and actions like I have. There is unbelievable amounts of evidence to support everything I have said.

Just start with the video and try to explain how that video means nothing and there is no threat. Please I want to see how you attempt to do that.

[honkey]

Lol Sam called me idiotic here is the reality you dumb fuxking tool...the government doesn't care about you Plain and simple. Look at our domestic policies and how they are all used to siphon money to the same people. Foreign policy is no different. Find someone else to hate and read real history not this sensationalist bullshi you think is actual journalism. Read about media concentration and absorb it and you will realize how big of a tool ba idiot you are. If you are so threatened and so upset here is an idea you fake Internet tough guy.... Go enlist and fight this 99% evil enemy instea of typing about how much it upsets you.

[samthebutcher]

I see a bunch of you decided to show what kind of dicks you really are.


Now that we know and got that out of the way.


Just do this. Do a search for "threat of islam" and look at it from both sides. Thats it just inform yourself and dont hide from the truth. I am trying to get as many people as I can to be informed and know the truth about what is happening in the World. It goes beyond the threat of islam too, but that alone is bad enough. Do the research yourself, and after you have learned a lot more from both sides. See if you still think I am wrong.

[samthebutcher]

Sept 18, 2012 23:52:44 GMT 2 honkey said:

Lol Sam called me idiotic here is the reality you dumb fuxking tool...the government doesn't care about you Plain and simple. Look at our domestic policies and how they are all used to siphon money to the same people. Foreign policy is no different. Find someone else to hate and read real history not this sensationalist bullshi you think is actual journalism. Read about media concentration and absorb it and you will realize how big of a tool ba idiot you are. If you are so threatened and so upset here is an idea you fake Internet tough guy.... Go enlist and fight this 99% evil enemy instea of typing about how much it upsets you.

Honky now you are just acting stupid. I have read and been through all of that Alex Jones stuff you believe already (years ago) and most of it isnt true.

One question if it was just ONE big group in control of everything and there is really only one party and this small group of people rule and control everything. Why is America not under total dictatorship? If it was like you believe then they could just take over. Why even have elections? If they have the whole "military industrial complex" and all that you believe. Well it would be no problem for them to just take total control. So why havent they? Why even act like it is a 2 Party system. If they had all the control you think they do they wouldnt need to keep up the charade.

I think you need to take off your tin-foil hat. It is cutting of the circulation to your brain.

[amino1]

Sept 18, 2012 23:27:51 GMT 2 eastwind said:

Also correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Jesus valued compassion not hatred.

From what I can tell (and here I draw from Tolstoy's writings) the two basic messages are 1) Love thy neighbor, and 2) Resist not evil. Given the contents of this thread, it's a special kind of irony.