Possible 1.8 update feature - increased zoom

[headhunter]

I've read a significant portion of the posts.
Enough to not be convinced into agreeing with those opposed.

Myth Strategy has always evolved.

I look at this as an avenue for new strategy.

[asmo]

Strategy isn't the issue, eliminating tunnel vision is, which is GAME PLAY. If only captains could see the large overview it wouldn't even be that bad, but then people could abuse it by having a cap control a large amount of units and having a advantage over everyone.

anyways done posting in this thread. I'm just repeating myself over and over again.

[headhunter]

So basically it all boils down to tunnel vision?

Turn off the map.

[waywardone]

I really can't extend this thread any further. I appreciate the 6 or so minutes of enjoyment it provided.

Honestly and personally, I don't care about any changes at all. I do like innovation and more options, but if this were an actual vote, I would abstain.

[guest]

Sept 1, 2012 21:21:27 GMT 2 asmo said:

The good players aren't really worried about noobs catching up to us, in fact I think almost all of us would love that. We just don't want the GAMEPLAY CHANGED I don't know how many times we have to state this before the people that want the extra zoom out understand our side of the argument and stop bringing up stuff irrelevant to why we are opposed to it.

Sorry but this is the funniest thing I've read on these forums.

[kuppa2]

observers shouldn't be able to zoom if players can't - this could totally be abused by a tournament team on vent

if everyone has zoom there's no prob but if only observers or caps have this it's stupid. there's a clear line between replays and playing but for playing it should either be all or none.

[flatline]

If it was introduced i'd think would be better as a host option.
A higher zoom for captains would certainly make a captains job easier and i admit the higher zoom levels look kind of cool as a strategic perspective.
As a player (not a captain) sometimes i admittedly wish i could zoom out just a little more but it really doesn't bother me that much.
I find i often tunnelvision and get say locked from the side simply because I havent moved my camera around and such (and in the heat of battle not paying attention to the minimap as much as i should). When this happens to me I don't blame that i wish i could have zoomed out more but rather that I wasn't doing my own shit right and simply didnt have my camera foucsed so that i could see the dude who locked me (he wasn't on my visible screen at the time). Looking at the 2x/4x? zoom it would look like that at that zoom you could still play as you do now but you would see a lot more on your visible screen at most times and would probably rarely get tunnelvision locked from the side or whatnot as at that level of zoom you'd probably see shit like locks and stuff on your visible screen before they could get within range to shoot you.
So many gamechanging plays and LOL moments happen in competitive games because of tunnelvision and a lot of these would probably be eliminated which my first impression is that i dont like the idea much.

So hrmm further thoughts after thinking about it a little.
Don't really think I like how it would change certain dynamics in general play and probably eliminate things like tunnelvision to a degree.
Would probably be quite cool to use the higher zooms as a captain but how to stop abuse of it in general play.
If implemented would be better as a host option and be able to not be allowed for tourney games at least.
Excellent idea for replays regardless of what else.
Implementation of the Higher zoom levels only? Not say 2x/4x where people would generally use that zoom in their general play but rather just the higher zoom levels which would be good for captains but where they couldnt really "play" as such effectively at those higher zoom levels but still be using the higher zoom levels as a strategic battlefield tool.

I'd be interested to give it a go in a beta or whatever and actually play with the enhanced zooms to see how it plays but my first impressions of the idea are that it's certainly gamechanging and not sure if it would be a good change for general play.

[punkuser]

When I say observers here I mean observers on a separate team, not just players that aren't given units. Thus if they are passing information to one of the teams, zoom range is the *least* of your worries (the fact that they can see the other team is just a tad bit more significant .

[flatline]

Sept 1, 2012 21:49:46 GMT 2 headhunter said:

So basically it all boils down to tunnel vision?

Turn off the map.

There's a reason nobody ever plays with map off.
It *cruisering* sucks.
I think in mwc2000 or something they actually made a game in 1 round specifically "no map" for something different to do or just for the hell of it and it was terrible.

[amino1]

I don't think it would dumb down gameplay. I think it would eliminate tunnel vision to some extent, which, to an outside observer, can look pretty dumb as it is. I think it would force an overall improvement in gameplay. Better coordination, it would free up actions and improve the metagame. Basically players would have to devise new skill sets that adapt to the increase in information, and that's what some players who have a vested interest in the current skill set are opposing. I think overall the games would look sharper and less littered with mistakes. The current game, from what I can tell, emphasizes errors and taking advantage of them over spectacular playing of the game, which I think this proposed change would alleviate somewhat. Then the true competitive nature of the game would be apparent, on a level or surpassing even, other games in e-sports.

Not to mention 1v1 on 2team maps would be more viable. This would be useful if the community were to suddenly shrink, or if 1v1 on large maps were made a competitive option. As it stands now, it is too unwieldy for all but the most advanced, which is not ideal.

tl;dr Being able to zoom out more would probably result in improved levels of play, making possible greater performances by individual players and teams. My 2¢

[switch]

Yah that's a legit point. Increasing zoom range might ruin tirri & asmo's professional myth careers, but it would greatly improve games like civil war and ww2 where weapon ranges are normally well above the myth default camera setting anyway. So as interested as I am in keeping tirri and asmo happy, I can't approve limiting every other myth game and plugin for the benefit of a few competitive players.



There should be some kind of "tournament mode" for the hardcore- this would also prevent people from taking advantage of things like custom observer settings and custom formations--- which are undeniably "changes" from the way myth 2 was originally established.

[homer]

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did everyone go *cruisering* insane?

holy shit we must be talking about something interesting by now like anal herpes?

[tirri]

sorry all you silly newbs, you lost

[flatline]

Sept 2, 2012 5:00:53 GMT 2 switch said:

Yah that's a legit point. Increasing zoom range might ruin tirri & asmo's professional myth careers, but it would greatly improve games like civil war and ww2 where weapon ranges are normally well above the myth default camera setting anyway. .

lol
Like 95% of people on these particular forums give 2 fucks about anything ww2 or civil war related in myth.
JJM4759606 , Batman and bonky in the 24/7 ww2 autohost might be interested in this.

[par73]

flats professional myth career was ruined by myrk