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Post by adrenaline on Aug 31, 2012 22:51:13 GMT 2
well, if you can see more than your opponent then yes, that = dumbing down the game
if you can both see equal, neither having the advantage = not dumbing down the game
if your opponent can see more of the map = harder to sneak up on = harder to kill = opposite of dumbing down the game
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Post by punkuser on Aug 31, 2012 22:52:16 GMT 2
And punkUser... any way to have this as an option ONLY for team captains? Would it be possible to distinguish between team captains and solo players? Anything's possible although that's a little odd to make captains "special" in that way. Wouldn't that sort of encourage captains to control more units if it truly does give that sort of advantage? Would it apply in FFA too? etc. And folks - read what I wrote. It's really a very simple question at its core... Adren is saying that no new information is available, it's just being presented in an easier to see form. tirri/asmo are saying that needing to watching minimap/pan are an important part of what defines the desirable competitive skills for a Myth 2 player. Try to focus the discussion on that core question and why you have the opinions that you do rather than just giving examples of what you think over and over. |
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Post by punkuser on Aug 31, 2012 22:55:16 GMT 2
Also I can't quote anyone on this but i'm pretty sure project magma has stated that in all their patches they will NOT touch the gameplay. Agreed which is precisely why we moved the discussion here. Stuff like this will only happen if the overwhelming majority (almost everyone) of competitive players support it. (Aside: But GKG said in the other thread that you guys all agree on stuff like this, right?  |
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Post by asmo on Aug 31, 2012 22:58:31 GMT 2
Why are you guys getting so worked up about something that should have been implemented years ago. Sam the Butchers idea was worthy of controversy. This is common sense. Chill. Also I don't see how this is common sense at al... |
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Post by adrenaline on Aug 31, 2012 23:00:16 GMT 2
Wouldn't that sort of encourage captains to control more units if it truly does give that sort of advantage? Not at all, if anything it would encourage them to control less, since that much of an overview would virtually eliminate their ability to micro. I think it would encourage captains to focus more on watching the game, and giving orders, redirections, etc etc. I'd imaging the captain to take more of a role like this:  |
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Post by punkuser on Aug 31, 2012 23:05:44 GMT 2
Sure, I just mean in terms of stuff like scattering them if pus is incoming or other "oh crap" moments that are harder to catch if you can't see that wide an area at once. Again, whether or not this is desirable is the question, not whether or not it changes it.
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Post by myrk on Aug 31, 2012 23:05:45 GMT 2
Who needs this bullshit? It's the equivalent of adding an easy button. Completely removes the necessity of watching the minimap to make sure you're not being flanked. I don't know what the obsession is with you idiots about changing fundamentals of an already solid game. Magma people can't play this game for shit anyway and have no business *cruisering* with game balance.
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Post by punkuser on Aug 31, 2012 23:08:30 GMT 2
Magma people can't play this game for shit anyway and have no business *cruisering* with game balance. Nice myrk, seems like you skipped the entire context of this thread... unsurprising I suppose. |
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Post by adrenaline on Aug 31, 2012 23:09:30 GMT 2
if you read the entire thread, u'd realize this was NOT magma's idea... I am the one that brought it up.
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Post by punkuser on Aug 31, 2012 23:12:14 GMT 2
Also please people read my post... what you're posting is completely obvious ("completely removes the necessity of watching the minimap to make sure you're not being flanked"). Correct folks, that *is* the proposed change.
The discussion is around whether or not that's a skill that should be valued by the gameplay or just an undesirable UI limitation. Please speak to (and vote on!) that question, not continue posting obvious stuff and acting like it proves things one way or another.
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Post by enculator on Aug 31, 2012 23:21:34 GMT 2
why don't u go play command and conquer or something, adren
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Post by adrenaline on Aug 31, 2012 23:28:59 GMT 2
why don't you go shave your mother's armpits or take a bath, enculator
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Post by enculator on Aug 31, 2012 23:31:37 GMT 2
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Post by adrenaline on Aug 31, 2012 23:34:15 GMT 2
OH SHIT, YOU GOT ME.
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Post by asmo on Aug 31, 2012 23:37:47 GMT 2
Can you make it so we can see who voted for "yes" and "no" in the pool? I want to see Adrenaline's name surrounded by the members of =IX= and TFS
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