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Post by punkuser on Aug 25, 2012 6:04:53 GMT 2
but i dont think i do anything particularly new or different now than I did in 2k1. Stuff like say heal trapping trow and shit I might try to do more often nowadays or whatever but did that stuff back then also. Sure but that's the point - players today seem to do good things more and bad things less. I watched a few of the MWC99 and 2000 films a couple weeks ago out of curiosity and other than the bizarre trades and unit distribution (no excuse for the latter really), the things that struck me the most in the micro were relatively poor use of pus, bad archer formations and dodging and lack of good micro to block AoE arty (locks, etc). Obviously all of these things happen now too, but not nearly to the extent that you'll see them, even in the finals games of those years. Like I said, I'm willing to forgive some of that to lag, but it's pretty clear from watching those films back to back with this year's finals that the quality of play has risen a fair bit. And as you said, that's really to be expected, I was just a little shocked at how stark the difference really is. |
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Post by asmo on Aug 25, 2012 6:15:14 GMT 2
Personally I love how this thread is a drunken joining team ratking thread that got totally hijacked after about page 1 and is about move on to whether ww2 requires skill or not. It won't move onto that because ever knows the answer is no, it does not require skill. |
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Post by flatline on Aug 25, 2012 6:34:02 GMT 2
but i dont think i do anything particularly new or different now than I did in 2k1. Stuff like say heal trapping trow and shit I might try to do more often nowadays or whatever but did that stuff back then also. Sure but that's the point - players today seem to do good things more and bad things less. I watched a few of the MWC99 and 2000 films a couple weeks ago out of curiosity and other than the bizarre trades and unit distribution (no excuse for the latter really), the things that struck me the most in the micro were relatively poor use of pus, bad archer formations and dodging and lack of good micro to block AoE arty (locks, etc). Obviously all of these things happen now too, but not nearly to the extent that you'll see them, even in the finals games of those years. Like I said, I'm willing to forgive some of that to lag, but it's pretty clear from watching those films back to back with this year's finals that the quality of play has risen a fair bit. And as you said, that's really to be expected, I was just a little shocked at how stark the difference really is. haha i think i still suck with pus usage nowadays as much as i did back then. My archer dodging probably sucks as much now as back then too but then again i never play in less than 200ms-300ms ping so yeah w/e. |
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Post by grim on Aug 25, 2012 8:16:43 GMT 2
See GKG, this is what I would call a good post tournament long thread. That Samthebutcher thread was just terrible.
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Post by myrk on Aug 25, 2012 9:55:03 GMT 2
It's great that gkg finally saw reason and admitted how the ctf rules actually were after page after page of denial. It only took what, 3+ people who actually played in those tournaments and knew what they were talking about
Although it's funny he thinks thrall in a circle formation can prevent a gholpack from contesting a ctf flag. I mean, really. Do I even have to explain this.
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Post by rambone on Aug 25, 2012 13:17:25 GMT 2
Same discussion we have every year. I don't think the forums have gotten better since um.... 2001? I know some of you think they peaked at about 2006 but I dunno, it was kind of a blow out if IRC.
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Post by giantkillergeneral on Aug 25, 2012 14:21:38 GMT 2
wait flat, did you just say that the skill level today is better than back then?
grim, i don't make forum posts to get your approval or anyone else's. if you don't like it don't read it. you've made some bad ones yourself. talking politics/religion on a gaming forum is much worse than talking about the game on a gaming forum imo. as far as im concerned any activity on this forum at all should be welcome.
myrk, I played in those tournaments as well. apparently some people that played in those tournaments probably didn't understand the ctf scoring back then, at least I'm sure I didn't. it is incredibly retarded, complex, confusing, and on the mwc2k1 page it is even hidden on the website. if i was in denial i wouldn't be so quick to admit my mistake after I could actually see it.
I said a thrall circle formation can stop a ghol contest. obviously a ghol pack depends on the size. im not sure what you are trying to argue there. although with their rules i can understand larger defenses.
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Post by myrk on Aug 25, 2012 16:16:53 GMT 2
myrk, I played in those tournaments as well. apparently some people that played in those tournaments probably didn't understand the ctf scoring back then, at least I'm sure I didn't. it is incredibly retarded, complex, confusing, and on the mwc2k1 page it is even hidden on the website. if i was in denial i wouldn't be so quick to admit my mistake after I could actually see it. We're agreed on that then. I forgot it was enabled in mwc01 since I don't recall any matches where it mattered for my team. I said a thrall circle formation can stop a ghol contest. obviously a ghol pack depends on the size. im not sure what you are trying to argue there. although with their rules i can understand larger defenses. Well a perfectly done tight circle of thrall would stop a small number of ghols from being able to contest, yeah. That thrall circle would have to cover the absolute bare edge of the contest radius and be spaced tight enough so no units could get through, and pulling off that circle would take practice since I doubt anyone even knows the exact to-the-millimetre flag contest radius today since it isn't something that people need to know precisely. A bigger group of ghols could bust through a circle of thrall too obviously. Meh let's stop at agreeing that ctf rules used to retarded and be glad we don't have to think of this shit anymore. |
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Post by grim on Aug 25, 2012 16:30:53 GMT 2
grim, i don't make forum posts to get your approval or anyone else's. if you don't like it don't read it. you've made some bad ones yourself. talking politics/religion on a gaming forum is much worse than talking about the game on a gaming forum imo. as far as im concerned any activity on this forum at all should be welcome. The hell did this come from? |
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Post by myrk on Aug 25, 2012 16:58:12 GMT 2
Wow, so if the scoring was that obviously ill-defined (and totally stupid), why didn't everyone bitch about it immediately and get it changed? I don't really get how that sort of scoring could have been allowed to persist for more than a single tournament... someone must have thought it was good. Who says noone bitched about it. If the forums were still up, you'd find plenty of bitching, probably most of it by me. My theory is it didn't end up being a problem in mwc99's games so the contest scoring stayed. The people running mwc2k (where the ctf scoring system was the most obviously broken) were bad tourney hosts in many ways and didn't like listening to the community. In mwc01 they organizers seem to have dealt with the problem by only having a few ctf games and then only on light maps. It seems MWC99's ctf scoring was less retarded than mwc2k since it also gave points for % remaining and relatively less points for contesting. CTF scoring from mwc99 rules page: 1/10% friendly force surviving, 2/5/8/10/15 for contesting with < 50%/50%/75%/100%/capture |
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Post by giantkillergeneral on Aug 25, 2012 17:34:24 GMT 2
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Post by cruniac on Aug 25, 2012 18:34:04 GMT 2
grim, i don't make forum posts to get your approval or anyone else's. if you don't like it don't read it. you've made some bad ones yourself. talking politics/religion on a gaming forum is much worse than talking about the game on a gaming forum imo. as far as im concerned any activity on this forum at all should be welcome. The hell did this come from?  |
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Post by Hadzenegger!!! on Aug 25, 2012 19:00:29 GMT 2
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Post by pogue on Aug 26, 2012 0:59:18 GMT 2
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Post by grim on Aug 26, 2012 7:23:43 GMT 2
Well, no. Or well, I suppose it does ring a bell in the sense you seemed to taken my comment. You apparently intrepeted it as me calling you a terrible poster, when that was not my intent at all. I was referring to my earlier comment in the sam thread about that thread being the most boring post tournament long thread we've had. Threads about the myth engine always are. You seemed to have taken that as a personal insult towards you when it wasn't, since I had not read a single post on that thread as the topic was boring. Now I made a comment that this is a good thread (which it is) and aimed it for you since you replied to my previous comment in the sam thread. You for some reason decided to take this as a personal insult towards your posting, when it again was not meant as such, but rather as a light hearted take on the quality of this particular thread. So in conclusion, your posting skills are not something I have been trying to mock here. You do not need to respond in such agressive style to my light hearted one sentence posts.  .....  |
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