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Post by asmo on Aug 24, 2012 21:37:34 GMT 2
Now it all makes sense why the quality of play seems to be lower at that time. The players were probably reading the rules while playing trying to figure out wtf is going on with the scoring.
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Post by giantkillergeneral on Aug 24, 2012 22:28:14 GMT 2
why would you not link the page you got the supposed scoring rule off of. here is the link to mwc2k1 scoring page: www.mythgaming.net/mwc2001/rules.phpnothing about any of that nonsense you just typed. doesn't make any sense that they would leave that complicated ass crap you typed out of the mwc2k1 site but had it for mwc2k if it was pretty similar. |
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Post by giantkillergeneral on Aug 24, 2012 22:31:23 GMT 2
ok I found it hidden: www.mythgaming.net/mwc2001/rules.php?page=scoringscroll to the bottom. I CONCEDE ok I will no longer make fun of 20% ctf defenses from back then. it was so mindbogglingly retarded I couldn't believe it until I saw it with my own eyes. SORRY FLAT I stand by everything else though! |
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Post by pogue on Aug 25, 2012 0:41:15 GMT 2
This whole thread is tl;dr material, but I see a lot of gkg and flatline posts, so I assume it's about the creator of melee. Can we just all agree that the members of Civil got together and created melee and that gkg and flatline are a couple of hacks? Ok? Good talk.
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Post by asmo on Aug 25, 2012 1:14:27 GMT 2
Thor created melle and he would be able to beat Civil 1v7 gg gf. on a side note here is a youtube video I found of Thor singing a song...not kidding www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K8bHm_OgzM |
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Post by cremisi on Aug 25, 2012 1:20:45 GMT 2
GKG is correct , in most tourney's it was based on the total % teams had i think it was 20% or something and whatever flat and tirri are posting probably was retarded rules on that one tourney year that probably never implemented again .
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Post by punkuser on Aug 25, 2012 2:09:58 GMT 2
Wow, so if the scoring was that obviously ill-defined (and totally stupid), why didn't everyone bitch about it immediately and get it changed? I don't really get how that sort of scoring could have been allowed to persist for more than a single tournament... someone must have thought it was good.
That does indeed explain a few things about the bizarre strategies in CTF, but it still doesn't really excuse the just fairly poor unit distributions and micro. I guess lag can partially account for the latter, but not fully. I think everyone has to agree that the absolute level of play has risen a lot over the years.
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Post by cruniac on Aug 25, 2012 3:07:42 GMT 2
Just goes to show why all the smart players were busy playing ww2. gg no re.
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Post by asmo on Aug 25, 2012 4:50:54 GMT 2
gota be smart to handle 1 unit that has 2 abilities
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Post by cruniac on Aug 25, 2012 5:00:18 GMT 2
Rpg, Zook, Grenade, Zooknade, 1 shot, Cntrl Click 1 shot, 2 shot, no turn stab, g dodge, scatter dodge, circle dodge, manual scatter dodge, taunt dodge(not good though but some used it). SURE IS ONE ABILITY IN HERE LOL.
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Post by pogue on Aug 25, 2012 5:05:54 GMT 2
WTF taunt dodge works great. It rape days Batman and he is ranked 3rd overall. I must be doing something right! Dear Myth Community, give me my 3rd ball.
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Post by flatline on Aug 25, 2012 5:22:47 GMT 2
 Everything I was saying was true and correct. Yes the ctf scoring overall was retarded in many ways. It was still bad in mwc2k1 but it was probably worst in mwc2000. You can see from that 9c-poop film that them getting a single fg contest and slapping 1 mort and 1 thrall? and then running away made the game 18-14 even though we took their flag and had 58% left. Without that single pussy fg contest it would have been a score of 18-0 which was huge so it was fairly important to somehow stop enemy contest your flag at all. Accepted graciously my fellow myth illuminati. I still love you. haha I knew you'd say that! Lets talk about who invented melee now
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Post by flatline on Aug 25, 2012 5:34:51 GMT 2
GKG is correct , in most tourney's it was based on the total % teams had i think it was 20% or something and whatever flat and tirri are posting probably was retarded rules on that one tourney year that probably never implemented again . . Gkg was not correct. (a) We were discussing the earlier mwcs say 99-2000-2001 (b) It was established and verified in the thread that grim changed the ctf scoring rules starting with like mwc2003. We weren't discussing mwc2003 and onwards. (c) The retarded rules werent just 1 tourney. They were in mwc 99 - 2000 - 2001. They changed slightly between the 3 tourneys but were basically the same thing for those 3 tourneys. (d) Grim changed the scoring that ctf was scored that you got points for the win + points for the % of your forces you had remaining at the end of the game. Different points depending how much % you had remaining at end of game. Im not positive this is exactly what he changed ctf rules to but i think it was. Regardless his ctf scoring changes were a good thing. Not sure if you didnt read the thread properly or are trolling |
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Post by flatline on Aug 25, 2012 5:51:50 GMT 2
Wow, so if the scoring was that obviously ill-defined (and totally stupid), why didn't everyone bitch about it immediately and get it changed? I don't really get how that sort of scoring could have been allowed to persist for more than a single tournament... someone must have thought it was good. They knew it sorta sucked and they tinkered with it from 99-2k-21 to try to make it a bit better. 2k1 was probably the best of the 3 for ctf scoring but it still sucked. mwc2k was probably the worst for it. Considering that 95% of players still playing tourneys have probably played since 99-2000-2001 (10 years +) and have had 10 years + to get good at this game you'd tend to think that the average overall skill level of players in tourneys nowadays should be better. When tourneys consist almost solely of people that have played this shit for over 10 years i'd be surprised if the overall average skill level wasn't better. Absolute level of play? Bleh. Maybe i peaked in 2k1 or something and have never gotten better since then or somethign i dont know. but i dont think i do anything particularly new or different now than I did in 2k1. Stuff like say heal trapping trow and shit I might try to do more often nowadays or whatever but did that stuff back then also. |
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Post by flatline on Aug 25, 2012 5:58:31 GMT 2
Personally I love how this thread is a drunken joining team ratking thread that got totally hijacked after about page 1 and is about move on to whether ww2 requires skill or not.
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