Team R3

[adrenaline]

very much disagree. Mark is way too inactive to be good anymore. HMP was never very good. Muse is probably the best of the 3. Pretty sure PK would destroy all 3 of them 1v1.

[professionalkiller]

I am pretty sure the first person to dissagree with you here would be rat ksi.

[dantski]

Pk is nowhere near 4 balls. He is certeinly not better than hmp, mark, muse and rat

Since I haven't been in a game with him for a year or more I was going off what some other people have said. Also he seemed to take myth fairly seriously when ingame from what I remember.

[ksiaze]

Pretty sure PK is very good player and pretty active and its his main adventage. He is also comprehensive. But I try always value player\s skill looking at past and tourneys achievments. If Mark or hmp will shade dust off playing for few weeks they are certeinly at Pk's level. I dont remember Pk's very good perfomrance at any tourney. Still I remember hmp being 1 st or 2 nd in 1 on 1 tourney, being 2 nd in ffa tourney, being on stats leaderboard in some mwc. Same with Mark wining some ffa tourney and good performance in many others.|
If I think about 4 baller its player like ew, absolut, paris, ghenghis, gekko, chron etc. How far is Pk from them? 0,5 ball at least if not more.
So in sum, pretty good player but still long way to become 4 ball club member and also not the best player on this team but on the same level like 4 others in r3. But prove me wrong and I ll be happy !

And still myth is something more than being good at 1 on 1...

[professionalkiller]

May 11, 2012 9:16:50 GMT 2 ksiaze said:

Pretty sure PK is very good player and pretty active and its his main adventage. He is also comprehensive. But I try always value player\s skill looking at past and tourneys achievments. If Mark or hmp will shade dust off playing for few weeks they are certeinly at Pk's level. I dont remember Pk's very good perfomrance at any tourney. Still I remember hmp being 1 st or 2 nd in 1 on 1 tourney, being 2 nd in ffa tourney, being on stats leaderboard in some mwc. Same with Mark wining some ffa tourney and good performance in many others.|
If I think about 4 baller its player like ew, absolut, paris, ghenghis, gekko, chron etc. How far is Pk from them? 0,5 ball at least if not more.
So in sum, pretty good player but still long way to become 4 ball club member and also not the best player on this team but on the same level like 4 others in r3. But prove me wrong and I ll be happy !

And still myth is something more than being good at 1 on 1...

LOL.

With all respect but If you are really planning on evaluating me from earlier tourneys then you'r dumb as *cruiser*.

I have played in 3 tourneys and the first was with raped day where it ended in a total disaster and only me and Hadiez showed up for the matches vs full teams in the end.

The second tourney was FFA DB and I would have won that if it wasnt for game starting while I was downloading a map and I ended second.

Third was TWS this year and I played only the first match since my comp died.

So gj evaluating me in tourney history.

And Im afraid I wont get to prove you wrong since im fighting against you and not with you.

[ksiaze]

Seriously I dont get why you are mad.
If I would evaluate you about tourneys succeses I would give you 1 probably. I just said you are high 3 not 4 ball player which is totaly true, actually you should be satisfied. Sure adren said something different but thats also becouse of personal issues.
I really dont know which ffa tourney you could "easily win", I remember only one you played when you ended in quarterfinal.
You just admit you didnt win anything in any tourneys. You can be even 5 ball material but unless you prove it it any tourney noone should give you 4 ball. Show me any 4 baller who never win anything? Maybe erik, maybe kilg, players who never gave a *cruiser* about tourneys. Rabble game is rabble game, when it comes to real ones it shows how much your worth is.
If you think you are 4 baller, its ok for me, good self assessment is always a good feature. Cant really say why you are worry about at somebody else opinion. Everyon knows his own value. I really want to end this " war" about 0,25 , said all I could in this subject.

[professionalkiller]

Im far from mad I am proving the point that the way you are evaluating are not corrct, its not abut the 0,25

I dont give a flying shitt what ball rating I get from people and thats not the point.
I didnt have a chance to win in the first tourney because half my team collapsede with low precene.

If you ask Par about the ffat tourney im pretty sure he would agree that it would have been mine. (So I won that)
Tws were I only aable to play 1 match.

What ball rating would you give yourself out of curiosity?

[ksiaze]

If not about 0,25 ball than about what bro ? What else I typed was comparison to few other good players.
Probably you didnt get what I mean. I dont blame you for not wining tourneys or showing good performance. You didnt have a chance, thas all.
As I mentioned before, I remember only one you played when you ended in quarterfinal, last years grim’s ffa tourney during mwc. If you had some 2 nd place in some ffa tourney I dont know, thats good, point for you.
Still you had probably some chances before when you played under different nickname? Becouse if I remember correct, when PK started to play he was experienced and skilled player. I only remember one similiar style, skill, colour and nationality- King. When he reitired after some mwc PK did show, but I may be totaly wrong. Still also remember him as competetive player.
My conlusion is, you need to wait a bit to show your value and you need to have a chance to do it, if you want to be welcomed in 4 balls club. It reminnds me abs a little bit, he also was so much self-confidence and need to wait a bit to get his credibility. And win his 1 st mwc. He admited later he wasnt that good he thought he was that time, and thats what I liked.

As you see I didnt judge myself in this thread and I dont like it, but if you ask me I can tell you. With no personal prejudies since 09 I was getting TA’s mid 3 ball average which is 3.0 in my scale. And I think thats where my place is. Thats no mystery a lot of Ta’s is depending of the fact people like you or not ( see GKG getting 4 balls average when he was at his peak). Or I remember adren and homer giving me 3 balls all the time, but it was enough to play 1 totaly shity server game with homer after he demoted me to 2 balls Like some other players ( Paris for exapmle) I may be shitty player during a lot of rabble games but if it comes to tourney ones I am focued and usefull, specially in roleplaying duties. I have my obvious weaknesses like being awfull at 1 on 1, multitasking, melling and fetching. Also I may blunder many times, but show me any tourney games I did it ! As all I also have some adventages, like being generally experianced player, focused on gametype, good with roleplay duties and generally knowing what to do and being usefull. Just being decent roleplayer for 3-4 trows teams. What I can also agree I probably havent been progressing for a long time ( but who doeas these days except bagrada ? )
I also got some small achievments which I can mention here ( of course you can always discuss with any of them but thats just facts):

1. wining TWS3.
With getting mainly shitty units and small % I had the only positve ratios except Rat who was trower. Also r3 was losing every match before I joined them and wining every after I did it . Coincidence ?
Of course all people will say tws3 was shitty tourney and noone cares about it and this win is worth shit. Which is really true in some parts
2. finalist of Last Year Winter Tourney
3. Semifinalist of last year ffa grim’s tourney
Nothing much probably but I won quarterfinal bracekts playing as me and eliminating grim and Pk. And also playing as Mark was 2nd in Gkg bracket and I eliminated ew, bone and appollo
4. 2nd in 2vs2 League from Nowhere Tourney
It was some shitty 2 vs 2 tourney with 8 teams, which we lose in finals 1-2 with GK and Dantski.
5. Mwc09 - 2 nd wighty score, 3rd k/g ratio, 4th dmg/game
6. 3 rd in ffa tourney somewhere between 2009-2010( 24 players)
7. top 8 in tffa ape tourney ( above 40 teams in 2008)
Its also nothing much but it was 1 st year of me playing m2 and there was above 40 teams with many top players in it.


As you see I judge myself with 0,75 ball lower than you with probably much more achievments to show

Regards

[ksiaze]

And let me explain it in other way.Here how it works. If you are good player you are being recruited by good teams. Good teams play at least in top or bottom bracket mwc's finals. Of course it sometimes depends on personal issues but more or less good teams have good players with some exceptions.
I cant really think of any true 4 baller who didnt even play in mwc finals, can you ? Mb kilg, mb erik, mb ducky. 90% of them did.

If you ran 100 meters under 10 seconds at any place you are real great runner. But do anyone call you top runner if you do this not on any tournament? I guess not. So thats my point - to be top player ( and thats what is 4 baller) requires to get top achievements.

And also different people have different ratings. For example according to me rat's rating is + 0,5 ball overall, when homer's is -0,5 ball overall. Dantski and adren's rates seems to be pretty acurate.

[adrenaline]

I rate people based on how I see them stacking up against myself. I don't think there is much of an argument that I am a top tier 1v1er, and I have 1v1d PK probably 100+ times. While he rarely ever wins, we often have good games. He's a good multitasker and can handle any unit types effectively. I 1v1'd a shitload of other 3 and 4 ballers, and had far less trouble beating them.

[ksiaze]

I guess you must value not only 1 on 1 skills since 90% of mythers never play it. And still you are one of those players who much overrate 1 on 1 skill in being good myther overall. But there was so much said about it there is nothing more to add.

[adrenaline]

nah i don't only base it on 1v1 obviously... so many other factors to consider. But so many people think 1v1 is a totally different skill altogether, which is total bullshit. If you are good at 1v1, you have good multitasking and micromanagement skills... which translates nicely into team and ffa skills. If more people avidly 1v1d, we would have much better players on myth. It's easily the best "practice" and skill building exercise you can do.

[pogue]

May 11, 2012 13:37:37 GMT 2 ksiaze said:

If not about 0,25 ball than about what bro ? What else I typed was comparison to few other good players.
Probably you didnt get what I mean. I dont blame you for not wining tourneys or showing good performance. You didnt have a chance, thas all.
As I mentioned before, I remember only one you played when you ended in quarterfinal, last years grim’s ffa tourney during mwc. If you had some 2 nd place in some ffa tourney I dont know, thats good, point for you.
Still you had probably some chances before when you played under different nickname? Becouse if I remember correct, when PK started to play he was experienced and skilled player. I only remember one similiar style, skill, colour and nationality- King. When he reitired after some mwc PK did show, but I may be totaly wrong. Still also remember him as competetive player.
My conlusion is, you need to wait a bit to show your value and you need to have a chance to do it, if you want to be welcomed in 4 balls club. It reminnds me abs a little bit, he also was so much self-confidence and need to wait a bit to get his credibility. And win his 1 st mwc. He admited later he wasnt that good he thought he was that time, and thats what I liked.

As you see I didnt judge myself in this thread and I dont like it, but if you ask me I can tell you. With no personal prejudies since 09 I was getting TA’s mid 3 ball average which is 3.0 in my scale. And I think thats where my place is. Thats no mystery a lot of Ta’s is depending of the fact people like you or not ( see GKG getting 4 balls average when he was at his peak). Or I remember adren and homer giving me 3 balls all the time, but it was enough to play 1 totaly shity server game with homer after he demoted me to 2 balls Like some other players ( Paris for exapmle) I may be shitty player during a lot of rabble games but if it comes to tourney ones I am focued and usefull, specially in roleplaying duties. I have my obvious weaknesses like being awfull at 1 on 1, multitasking, melling and fetching. Also I may blunder many times, but show me any tourney games I did it ! As all I also have some adventages, like being generally experianced player, focused on gametype, good with roleplay duties and generally knowing what to do and being usefull. Just being decent roleplayer for 3-4 trows teams. What I can also agree I probably havent been progressing for a long time ( but who doeas these days except bagrada ? )
I also got some small achievments which I can mention here ( of course you can always discuss with any of them but thats just facts):

1. wining TWS3.
With getting mainly shitty units and small % I had the only positve ratios except Rat who was trower. Also r3 was losing every match before I joined them and wining every after I did it . Coincidence ?
Of course all people will say tws3 was shitty tourney and noone cares about it and this win is worth shit. Which is really true in some parts
2. finalist of Last Year Winter Tourney
3. Semifinalist of last year ffa grim’s tourney
Nothing much probably but I won quarterfinal bracekts playing as me and eliminating grim and Pk. And also playing as Mark was 2nd in Gkg bracket and I eliminated ew, bone and appollo
4. 2nd in 2vs2 League from Nowhere Tourney
It was some shitty 2 vs 2 tourney with 8 teams, which we lose in finals 1-2 with GK and Dantski.
5. Mwc09 - 2 nd wighty score, 3rd k/g ratio, 4th dmg/game
6. 3 rd in ffa tourney somewhere between 2009-2010( 24 players)
7. top 8 in tffa ape tourney ( above 40 teams in 2008)
Its also nothing much but it was 1 st year of me playing m2 and there was above 40 teams with many top players in it.


As you see I judge myself with 0,75 ball lower than you with probably much more achievments to show

Regards

Don't see any MWC wins, oh and you don't know how to even play KOTH, you play like a total faggot in ffa and are on my short list to rush on sight along with clank and summer. 2 balls tops you stupid polak nigger.

[ksiaze]

May 11, 2012 20:48:11 GMT 2 adrenaline said:

nah i don't only base it on 1v1 obviously... so many other factors to consider. But so many people think 1v1 is a totally different skill altogether, which is total bullshit. If you are good at 1v1, you have good multitasking and micromanagement skills... which translates nicely into team and ffa skills. If more people avidly 1v1d, we would have much better players on myth. It's easily the best "practice" and skill building exercise you can do.

I mainly agree but in big 2t games you dont have so many units to control so multitasking isnt so important in them. Thats only difference. In most of cases very good 1 on 1 players were also very good players overall. But you could also see good 1on1ers with poor team skills ( like Kalmar) and good team/ffa players who are average at 1 on 1 ( or you just dont know it since they dont even play it). And list of them is definetly quite long.

[adrenaline]

perhaps YOU don't have so many units to control, but key players on teams often do. i.e. a squad of 6 warrs, 6 bows, 1 dorf, 2 ghols, etc (not uncommon) is basically the same as a unit set you would have when 1v1ing on gimble, grave, demise, etc.

and when facing an single opponent on a flank... hey... that's a 1v1 scenario, isn't it?

obviously coordinating attacks, listening to captains orders, etc etc is not something you learn in 1v1, but my point is that it strengthens a player in other areas and makes them a better player as a result.

I am speaking from experience here... playing countless 1v1s over the years with shaister, raziel, kalmar and whoever else dramatically improved me as a player.... and it definitely translated into team and ffa games.