Possible 1.8 update feature - increased zoom

[amino1]

4x looks like it would be great for replays.

[tsohg]

I find most of these arguments saying it would 'dumb down' myth to be false accusations/criticisms as the Fog of War would still apply iirc.

Seems most people bitch just to hear themselves bitch, or are afraid they wont have their mad myth skillz anymore if any little thing changed from "how it was'. Good players overcome adversity, they dont stand around bitching like it seems alot of U 'pro' myth players do. Grow up, its just a game, a really fun game. Unfortunately, some of you have a lousy habit of siphoning off/killing that fun for everyone but ur little clique.

Lets zOOm this baby!! So crappy players like me can kix sum pro players arses!! ;o)

anyways, my 2 cents which aint even worth that nowadays, or here for that matter i am sure.

G'nite

[tirri]

Sept 1, 2012 8:10:34 GMT 2 adrenaline said:

and again, for the people that think this would make it easier to play:

if it's easier for you, AND easier for your opponent... is it actually easier for anyone? does 1-1 NOT = 0?
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i really want to hear your definition of "dumbing down the game" if this isnt included.
and no the end result isnt 1-1=0. people who now have a bad case of tunnelvision would benefit much much more from the change JUST like making some unit control thing easier would benefit those people more who are bad at controlling units

[Aki]

Sept 1, 2012 6:13:42 GMT 2 punkuser said:

Sept 1, 2012 6:01:19 GMT 2 myrk said:

Why don't you quote one of these lies I'm perpetuating.

If you insist... here's a couple...

shift double-click?

[giantkillergeneral]

I agree with tirri, asmo, and myrk.

gosh I never thought I'd ever write a sentence like that.

not going to repeat it, but basically for the same reasoning they are saying.

I do think there are benefits to both ways, but I'd rather just not see that drastic of a change made with the gameplay. make it for replays only, that would be cool.

[grim]

I'm going to have to agree with Tirri, Asmo, Myrk, GKG and Angelina Jolie. This would be a hella cool option for replays, but not for the game itself. Just think of how cool screenshots you could take for articles & reviews, not to mention the shoutcasts.

If it would be implemented for the game itself, it would severely dumb it down by taking out major tunnel vision component.

Edit: this was the 9th thousand post on this board.

Edit #2: Why are you dumbasses still trying to smite me? I AM UNSMITABLE

[guest]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik

[kuppa2]

2x wouldn't change the game very much, i vote for 2x max in-game mb more for replays.

how about we stop letting insecure rank-h00rs keep this game mired in 1998? add a new feature and there's such a large group who don't want to play it they don't have to upgrade, they can continue to play Myth v1.7 - that's what they want - the game to never change. give them what they want and let the rest of non-neanderthal mythers have something new and fun.

hell these luddites are tards, if they REALLY felt so strongly abot all the changes beign so bad and thought it changed the gameplay they'd still be playing on 1.3 or 1.5 or whatever version they think is closest to what bungie created.

but they don't so they are hippocrits. and so stuypid they don't even realize it.

2x as many mwc forum audience vote to put zoom in game, loudmouth minority shouldn't be allowed to prevent progress of myth.

[grim]

Sept 1, 2012 15:39:45 GMT 2 kuppa2 said:

2x wouldn't change the game very much, i vote for 2x max in-game mb more for replays.

how about we stop letting insecure rank-h00rs keep this game mired in 1998? add a new feature and there's such a large group who don't want to play it they don't have to upgrade, they can continue to play Myth v1.7 - that's what they want - the game to never change. give them what they want and let the rest of non-neanderthal mythers have something new and fun.

hell these luddites are tards, if they REALLY felt so strongly abot all the changes beign so bad and thought it changed the gameplay they'd still be playing on 1.3 or 1.5 or whatever version they think is closest to what bungie created.

but they don't so they are hippocrits. and so stuypid they don't even realize it.

2x as many mwc forum audience vote to put zoom in game, loudmouth minority shouldn't be allowed to prevent progress of myth.

This is why the trow council is separated from the thrall council.

[par73]

Sept 1, 2012 14:12:41 GMT 2 giantkillergeneral said:

I agree with tirri, asmo, and myrk.

gosh I never thought I'd ever write a sentence like that.

not going to repeat it, but basically for the same reasoning they are saying.

I do think there are benefits to both ways, but I'd rather just not see that drastic of a change made with the gameplay. make it for replays only, that would be cool.

[par73]

Sept 1, 2012 15:50:56 GMT 2 grim said:

Sept 1, 2012 15:39:45 GMT 2 kuppa2 said:

2x wouldn't change the game very much, i vote for 2x max in-game mb more for replays.

how about we stop letting insecure rank-h00rs keep this game mired in 1998? add a new feature and there's such a large group who don't want to play it they don't have to upgrade, they can continue to play Myth v1.7 - that's what they want - the game to never change. give them what they want and let the rest of non-neanderthal mythers have something new and fun.

hell these luddites are tards, if they REALLY felt so strongly abot all the changes beign so bad and thought it changed the gameplay they'd still be playing on 1.3 or 1.5 or whatever version they think is closest to what bungie created.

but they don't so they are hippocrits. and so stuypid they don't even realize it.

2x as many mwc forum audience vote to put zoom in game, loudmouth minority shouldn't be allowed to prevent progress of myth.

This is why the trow council is separated from the thrall council.

LOL

[flatline]

Well my first thoughts (all 2 minutes of them) are this.

I agree with Tirri, Asmo, Myrk, GKG and Grim. (LOL these 6 people agreeing on something)

For the game itself this is a terrible *cruisering* idea.
For replays this is an excellent idea.
I think all of us have said pretty much the same thing.
MY reasons are pretty much the same as tirri,asmo,myrk,grim have already pointed out.
Tunnelvision, camera control etc etc etc etc.
Would definitely change the dynamics of the game (and not in what i would think is a particularly good way) and totally unnessecary.

The Trow Council's first impression of this idea is that it is deemed unworthy.

[flatline]

Sept 1, 2012 0:29:26 GMT 2 kuppa2 said:

if you hate the idea of this change because it lets you see more, i hope you are consistent and also hate and refuse to play on a widescreen monitor - because you see more of the battlefield on a widescreen than on a 'regular' old school monitor - and BUngie didn't make Myth for widescreen monitors - Magma did that. so if you don't want useful zoom stop playing on a widescreen monitor all you hippocrits.

I play myth on a 4:3 monitor and it's *cruisering* manly

[jackiechan]

This is awesome, I want to see the camera go higher, higher, HIGHERRRRR!

[flatline]

Aug 31, 2012 22:27:44 GMT 2 punkuser said:

Before we go too far down the name-calling rabbit hole, I would hope that the real core of the disagreement here is clear, but let me spell it out.

Do you think panning/watching minimap, etc. is an interesting part of the "skill" of Myth 2 or not?

The fact that adding more zoom would reduce the need to pan around is the entire point, but is that really something fundamental to how Myth plays, or is it just a UI quirk? A corollary to this argument is that if it truly is a useful skill, then *decreasing* the maximum zoom level would make the game "more skill-based". I don't think anyone would find that desirable.

Thus it really is an argument about whether or not you value/want to protect the investment you have made in learning to pan around and watch the minimap. It is clearly something that you learn while becoming a good player/captain, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the game would be diminished by focusing the "skills" on other things than using the UI.

It is indisputable that it would change the game hence why I said this would require a lot of input from the competitive folks if it is even to be considered. The question is whether it would change it for the better or worse, and I imagine there is a lot of disagreement on that based on the above core argument.

(FWIW I have no strong opinion on this either way, I'm just trying to focus the discussion in a useful direction.)

Yes it's a skill along with everything else you do while playing this game.
From seemingly trivial shit like how fast you can spot and grab the good pus in a pile that the good pus is hard to see to definitely non-trivial stuff like how well you can micromanage your units. The vast majority of things you do in this game (Unless its something meaningless like telling your unit to walk from a to b, and lol even doing this in certain situations requires some small amount of skill in microing their movement and such sometimes because of pathfinding or whatever) are all some sort of skill.

This would certainly *cruiser* with certain skills in this game and some of them gamechanging (ie tunnelvision syndrome).

If you implement this in the game itself then you might as well change some other things while you are at it.

Make it so that if you just click in the general vicinity of a pus pile from a melted wight with a ghol that your ghol auto-picks up a good pus piece and not a small if there is any big pus pieces in the pile and a small if there a no big pieces there.
This way edulus and many other terrible players might actually pick up a big pus piece now and then instead of useless small pieces everytime.
I mean picking up big pus pieces instead of small isn't exactly an interesting part of the myth 2 experience or your myth 2 skillset so why not do something like that also.