Roster change - Team GKG

[honkey]

*rats roster.

[amino1]

Aug 21, 2012 5:50:17 GMT 2 giantkillergeneral said:

i have worse players on my team than drunken, get a *cruisering* clue

Yeah! Owai

[giantkillergeneral]

just in case some of you didn't get the memo, most people aren't taking this tournament very seriously. this is more of an exhibition match than actual competitive tournament.

[par73]

it's up to the subjectivity of the individuals to decide what they want to believe.

I feel like this is the closest thing players ranked 6 and under will get to experience as a competitive tournament for possibly the first time in their lives.

[karma]

I wrote the memo, because I wanted the other teams to not try

Meanwhile, we have had at least 2 players playing TCP/IP since it started. GOOD LUCK BROS

[honkey]

Actually while the team field is rather pathetic in size, this tournament is honestly far more competitive than mwc and would be a good format to adopt if it didnt cost us half the butt buddy player base (shai ska etc) that only play with their boyfriends.

[waywardone]

This format puts more responsibility on the good players. Mistakes are far more visible when you don't have a team full of equally good (or better) players to cover for you.

[giantkillergeneral]

I think from what I have witnessed so far, the 3 to low 4 ballers who weren't good enough really to compete on a top finals contending team for a while are the ones who absolutely love this tournament format. I have been hearing tons of comments from these types of players about how awesome this tournament format is and they are probably more excited about this tournament than mwc because they have a legitimate chance to win. I guess these teams might even be an upgrade from what they have been on in the past.

The good players from top teams however aren't really quite that excited about it though and not taking it quite so seriously. it is pretty much just better organized rabble games, or an exhibition match rather than tournament match. The teams are a pretty big downgrade compared to their formerly top teams from mwc.

Of course both sides are right from their own perspective.

So I think that is what is going on here.

[waywardone]

Definitely true. However, these teams mirror the early (tfl - ~00) good teams. Stacking with good players you might not even like didnt start until people began getting bored with M2. Prior, even teams like Civil and BMF had their scrubs who played and contributed. It was easily more of a "let's team with friends" first and "win or die" a distant second which, quite frankly, makes those good teams way more impressive than the typical 3 or 4 all-star teams that have dominated the last 5 years or so.

In the same vein, no one was as desperate as now for hardcore competition because the community was so huge. It wasn't uncommon for a game of the upper crust players to materialize spontaneously, so tournaments were really just ways of getting in games with people outside of your normal playing time rather than the only chance at organized competition.

[giantkillergeneral]

well what I think mostly what you are referring to wwo is just the fact that early era tournament teams were generally based off of clans. so yea people let their friends into the clan and the clan roster was the same as the tournament roster even though the clan roster isn't really made much with the tournament roster in mind, it was made for ranked/unranked play in mind. plus rosters were maxed at 16 so of course the filler will be more scrubbie, good players are always going to find play time in the top 8 of the roster on some team somewhere. these days there are no clans and team rosters are formed right before a tournament and only for the purpose of that tournament.

oh and I have no idea what you are referring to with regards to stacking teams with players you don't even like. after 14 years playing together I am pretty sure most people have learned to let shit go by now.

anyway all i really know about early era teams were that they were *cruisering* horrible.

[myrk]

There hasn't been an actual competitive myth 2 tournament for many, many years

[waywardone]

Aug 22, 2012 17:10:49 GMT 2 giantkillergeneral said:

anyway all i really know about early era teams were that they were *cruisering* horrible.

You didn't think this at the time, did you? Of course not; you were wandering around as roster filler yourself. This has been done to death -- in pictures, even. This audience is the same one you've been emphasizing this statement to for 3 (?) years now. It's barely marginal to the discussion here. Do you understand how neurotic it looks to see this bullet point brought up whenever possible? I can imagine you telling the cashier at Taco Bell "Fire sauce please, and my god can you believe how terrible myth was before I got good enough to talk shit?"

Re: not liking teammates. What's difficult to understand? With very few exceptions -- mostly ranked unimappers -- good players back then were still generally well-liked. The opposite is true now. Without their skill, many good players would be kicked to the curb because that's the only thing that makes them tolerable, and even then it's not always worth it. Never mind the obvious sociopathy here. Take away the myth-themed topics of discussion and chat, and even more of the good players are absolutely indistinguishable from each other.

[drunken]

first off, I specificly asked to not be on cruniacs team before the tournament began. Link here
mwc2012.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=asmosis&action=display&thread=847. The fact I was on GkG team didnt bother me, and I barely tolerated cruniacs stupidity. Yet Zak, Ghengis as well all mocked me as well (see game 3). Why should I stay on a team that doesnt want me that I shoudnt have been drafed to in the first place?

Secondly its Ironic now you bitch about scores being rated a poultry 2 from all you cunts and now you come screaming back about how unfair you cant draft your other team mates as they are worth more points.

Lastly I am in the tourney for fun, it is much more balanced than mwc, and as ive said a million times I choose to play on deer rather than sell out on a 5 ball team which some are questionably over-rated wankers.

[giantkillergeneral]

nah this is just the same old then vs now debate, many share the sentiment of both sides. what is always curious about the debate is the "now" side will reference screenshots and films from mwc finals back then as solid evidence (such as grim's article) for their argument, and the "then" side (which coincidentally also tends to be an older age group of players) just ignores said screenshots and films and rambles on and on about their memory of the time.

what is really amusing though now is you aren't even just talking about skill. now the good players back then were better liked, had more personality, and more class. THEY HAD IT ALL MAN.

just lol

[giantkillergeneral]

also wwo since you wanted to point out that I used to be roster filler, let me just add that I placed 8th in mwc2k1 with Cacra. What did you place at that year?

If you follow the same argument as myrk, flatline, and others that tournaments back then were way more competitive, how could roster filler such as myself place 8th out of the 80+ teams in mwc2k1? I actually wasn't even really a roster filler. I played most if not all of the games and had a prominent role on the team, helping to cap and strat at times even way back then.

Myself and the rest of Cacra were most certainly 2-3 ballers by today's standards though, and with much shittier internet connections, there is no doubt about that. I just wonder how we placed 8th being as mediocre as we were in what is often considered by those that cling to the past as the most competitive mwc of all time. A similar quality team of 2-3 ballers from this mwc would have a placement not too different. HRMMMMM.

maybe you, flat, myrk, and others should all have a meeting and figure out how to not contradict yourselves.