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Post by samthebutcher on Aug 13, 2012 2:19:32 GMT 2
yes it can be proven. We had no reason to invade iraq or vietnam. The same weapons companies and banks skimmed tax payer money to profit tremendously. This has been going on forever.... war = money. Many fight.... for the gain of few. But Hopefully they find those WMDS soon. Problem with those wars is not that we fought them. Its that we didnt fight like we should have. We should have laid wast to those countries. We could have easily. You say where are all the WMDs. I say where is all of that cheap oil we were supposed to get after we beat Iraq? Thats the reason a lot of people said we were there "Bush is just there for the oil". I wish it was true and we did take their oil. I am tired of paying almost 4$ a gallon. |
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Post by honkey on Aug 13, 2012 2:27:14 GMT 2
God you are naive. You are truly truly naive. Have you ever heard of halliburton? do you understand the concept of "banking" and "theft" and "propaganda".
Ill explain it to you as you seem rather dense.
Government is controlled by a small group of banks/companies on damn near a world scale. The government is responsible for taxing its citizens. The Government then makes a decision to go to war under some bs cause such as "communism" or "WMDS". The government then borrows tons of money from a bank to fund this war. This is of course financed by the hard work of tax payers. The initial loan is given to the weapons companies who build bombs, planes, ammunition... etc. They make quite a hefty profit. On the flip end, the bank profits by lending money and charging what is called "interest". So they profit off the tax payer. Then After we destroy everything with our borrowed money bombs and bullets, we hire companies such as halliburton (a company our vice president had a huge stake in) to recieve multibillion dollar rebuilding contracts. a few groups prosper, under a false flag scenario, while the REST OF US are forced to foot the bill. Do you understand this or do i need to dumb it down further?
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Post by honkey on Aug 13, 2012 2:28:03 GMT 2
it is theft.
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Post by samthebutcher on Aug 13, 2012 2:46:03 GMT 2
They dont have to go to war to print money. They just order "Bail Outs" and give 100's of Millions of dollars to their buddies total failure green energy business Solindra. Like Obama has done countless times. They dont have to go to war to put money in their buddies pocket. Obama has wasted Trillions of of Dollars. With huge amounts going to his buddies. Hell Obama has already spent more money than ALL Presidents combined and we still have the worst economy and unemployment since the Great Depression. This is the worst shape our country has EVER been in.
You can keep believing that war is only about the money thing if you want, but Obama has proven you dont have to go to war to spend ungodly amounts of money and funnel a bunch of it into your friends pocket. Just make up some BS and start spending.
So what I am saying is. If it was just about the money Bush could have just pulled some BS like Obama has. So obviously it wasnt JUST about the money.
Another thing that is true you cant argue with Liberals. They live in their own imaginary world. Where real life and facts dont matter. That stuff just bounces off their head. Liberalism is a mental disease.
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Post by guest on Aug 13, 2012 2:59:35 GMT 2
I'm impressed by Sam's arguments.
He raises a lot of interesting points.
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Post by honkey on Aug 13, 2012 3:01:57 GMT 2
hence the phrase "Government is controlled by a small group of corporations and banks". Act like voting obama out will change anything.... it wont. They are already fanning the flames for the Iran war... just like cu I expect you to enlist the day it happens. after all it is a cause you are supporting.
But the real joke is that idiots like you believe in a 2 party system. What luck.... facism you can vote for...isn't that sweet.
and by the way genius:
You are one of those "obama is a socialist" bitcher. Yet an inherent principle of socialism is a strictly government regulated economy. So... you are bitching that obama is a socialist etc.... yet you are bitching that he isnt doing a good job controlling the economy. That my friend is the paradox that I laugh at with all "conservatives". Keep hating each other while the same people rip you off over and over again, and send your fellow citizens to die for their pocket book.
and also so you arent stupid enough to think I support either of these retarded sides, or I allign with any of the idiots on either side, I would like to also point out the liberal paradox: I want benefits, I want someone to pay for them, but I am not going to pay for them.
its always the same bullshit:
Drug companies keep prisons full.
Weapons companies start wars.
banks benefit from it all.
Wanna end the deficit? we can do it in one piece of legislation. Eliminate the *cruisering* war on drugs... or have you also been brainwashed long enough to believe that is also a just cause?
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Post by honkey on Aug 13, 2012 3:08:34 GMT 2
anyway... dont bother responding anymore... I will not respond to you.. as i have spent far too much time in my life trying to warn people of the future ahead of them. Just remember... 20 years from now... liberal or conservative wont matter anymore, as your quality of life will be so pathetic that you wish you had listened to people like me.
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Post by samthebutcher on Aug 13, 2012 3:18:03 GMT 2
hence the phrase "Government is controlled by a small group of corporations and banks". Act like voting obama out will change anything.... it wont. They are already fanning the flames for the Iran war... just like cu I expect you to enlist the day it happens. after all it is a cause you are supporting. But the real joke is that idiots like you believe in a 2 party system. What luck.... facism you can vote for...isn't that sweet. and by the way genius: You are one of those "obama is a socialist" bitcher. Yet an inherent principle of socialism is a strictly government regulated economy. So... you are bitching that obama is a socialist etc.... yet you are bitching that he isnt doing a good job controlling the economy. That my friend is the paradox that I laugh at with all "conservatives". Keep hating each other while the same people rip you off over and over again, and send your fellow citizens to die for their pocket book. and also so you arent stupid enough to think I support either of these retarded sides, or I allign with any of the idiots on either side, I would like to also point out the liberal paradox: I want benefits, I want someone to pay for them, but I am not going to pay for them. its always the same bullshit: Drug companies keep prisons full. Weapons companies start wars. banks benefit from it all. Wanna end the deficit? we can do it in one piece of legislation. Eliminate the *cruisering* war on drugs... or have you also been brainwashed long enough to believe that is also a just cause? I wasnt going to respond but I will one last time, because some of what you just said IS true. But some isn't here is what I want Obama to do about the economy stay the 'cruiser' out of the way. I dont want him to do anything except UNdo what he has done. I am going to guess. You visit "Prison Planet" and listen to Alex Jones. If you dont you should you would love that site. Some stuff is true but he takes it waaay to far exactly like you are doing. As a matter of fact the people over there believe exactly like you do. From what I have seen from your post. Hey man more power to ya. Live your life think your thoughts do your thing. Just dont be another person with their hand out. Ok now I'm done. |
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Post by honkey on Aug 13, 2012 3:36:59 GMT 2
Since you responded rationally I will respond rationally.
I do sort of listen to alex jones, but yes I believe he takes it to far sometimes. However... I also believe him to be more credible and have better intentions than our media, or our crooked Corproment.
I do not say the shit i say to sound smart or belittle anyone. I say it as a strict warning that you should not support either of these horrible sides, as they do not care about you, they do not care about your family, and they surely dont care about the United States.
We are in a financial crisis right now... due to their stealing over the last 100 years getting completely out of hand. Both sides are responsible, and by default.... the people that support each side are responsible for the poor fate that awaits them.
we have over 300 million citizens here. We have some of the most educated and bright people in the world. yet... we only have 2 choices for any government office? All I am saying is your vote doesnt matter and you dont matter to any of these people, and you never will. Regardless of what party you stand behind, its a *cruisering* money grab, and the joke is on you no matter what.
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Post by monty on Aug 13, 2012 6:56:05 GMT 2
terrible. as much as we could spend this minuscule portion of our national budget (the total yearly nasa budget accounts for .5% of what america spends a year - since i doubt your ability to do math as this is a fact based science this is the same as saying for every $1 our government spends, half of a penny goes to nasa). this is so they can spend it on other 'important' things, like tax breaks for the wealthy or a higher military budget to fight the communists/terrorists/enemy flavor of the week that tends to benefit a small minority of already disgustingly wealthy people. i love how you will argue that we could spend this money on helping people while in the same breath saying we need to stop wasting tax money helping people.
investing in science and technology benefits everyone on this planet, but first and foremost it benefits our country. it promotes education in the youth of the country furthering overall progress in everything related to science (which is everything these days) since kids growing up can say "hey they are sending robots to other planets to discover all kinds of cool things! i want to do that when i grow up!" then they *cruisering* learn about science and math and are less likely to do dumb shit like get pregnant as a teenager or die of an OD or kill someone when they go drunk driving. they can do things that will put their names in the news or a magazine or book to inspire the next generation to go even farther. if some idiot government official says they want to abolish evolutionary theory from public schools they will know to stand up and public shame these individuals. they will raise their children to be intelligent people who can again further advance our race
when we had an active space program america had the best education system in the world, because we had kids who had things to dream about doing when they grew up so they paid attention in school and read books and strived to be smarter and better so they could have a shot at going to the moon or be on a shuttle crew or invent shit to help others do those things. now we have kids who grow up to be an accountant or lawyer like their parents so they can get a good salary with no real ambition outside of that. with the decline of our space program our education system has gone down the shitter right alongside it
it also gives america an actual reason to be proud, because *cruiser* you we landed a robot on a planet that is billions of miles away. how many other countries have done that? we sent a probe that is nearly OUTSIDE OUR *cruisering* SOLAR SYSTEM. do you realize the scale of this? the voyager probes left earth in the 70s and the furthest one hasn't left the outer influences of our star still. its been flying through space at thousands of miles a second for upwards of 40 years. mars is so far away it takes anywhere from 3 to 21 minutes for a communication signal to travel there and back. it takes 9 minutes for light from the surface of the sun to get to earth. travelling at ~186000 miles per second. space is *cruisering* huge and we have barely even started exploring our own back yard let alone the 300 billion other houses in the neighborhood (yes i understand the logistical problems with travelling to other stars but we have to take the first steps if we are going to get anywhere).
this planet has a limited lifespan. it hasn't always been habitable by humanity and it won't always stay the way it is. eventually a giant rock is going to smack into us again. its happened thousands of times and we have no way to prevent it from happening again. eventually the climate is going to change against us, whether through natural events or ones created by us. and even if somehow we are able to regulate the entire planets climate, and even if we figure out how to track and deflect every hunk of rock zooming around in space, eventually our sun is going to die. if we can't completely leave this rock we are doomed as humans. more than likely it won't happen in our lifetimes, but even if it happens in 5 generations (the farthest any of us alive are likely to still be remembered in any way) and our entire existance as a sentient race is wiped out of this universe, what does anything anyone does today, tomorrow or ever did really matter?
i understand we have tons of issues both domestically and internationally, but when has there ever not been these problems or comparable ones going back to the beginning of humanity? with our economic system there will always be poor people who need help. because we have made the medical field a business there will always be diseases and preventable death because without that there aren't profits for corporations. as long as religion exists there will be conflict and war. what miracle is going to come along and fix those problems so we can focus on the future now instead of lying and saying we want to "fix" these other issues first but continue to do nothing about it?
i know everyone will say tldr, so to sum it up *cruiser* you if you don't believe in nasa/the space program because we spend "too much" on it
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Post by StoneCold on Aug 13, 2012 15:47:40 GMT 2
i know everyone will say tldr, so to sum it up *cruiser* you if you don't believe in nasa/the space program because we spend "too much" on it |
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Post by homer on Aug 13, 2012 21:36:52 GMT 2
I think after reading most of this, we can all agree, the government's size and corruption is out of control and that we need a revolution, whether democrat or republican large special interest groups seem to pull political strings at the expense of the common ignorant tax payers..a peoples revolution is needed, get your guns everyone and follow me to D.C. we gunna burn this mother down.
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Post by eastwind on Aug 14, 2012 0:19:03 GMT 2
East Wind - What does Mars being a waste of cash have to do with Iraq+Afghanistan? Do you mean someone can only complain out of control spending with regards to one line item? - Cu Seinfeld Cutting down NASA's budget would be like treating an ingrown toenail of a patient who is bleeding to death. |
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Post by myrk on Aug 14, 2012 0:58:49 GMT 2
Idiots like honkey see conspiracy in everything
Bet he believes Bush caused 9/11 too
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Post by honkey on Aug 14, 2012 1:05:50 GMT 2
Idiots like myrk, the tea party,liberals, and conservatives believe the united states government gives 2 fucks about anyone. They also believe that corporations dont call the shots, and they also believe that news and mainstream media are owned by more than 5 companies. They also believe their vote matters.
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