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Post by adrenaline on Aug 7, 2012 18:51:42 GMT 2
Sam, there is nothing confusing about what I said. I like the idea of an archer volley, but in the fashion I suggested (ctrl-dbl click). Doing it any other fashion (newb clicking on the units themselves, selection box) WOULD dumb it down. At least the ctrl double click requires timing and precision.
Your suggestions for it's use are what I am arguing. I would never use it constantly in an archer duel... would be more for targeting clumped mellee or mixed units, or as a last resort for a few more dmg in a BC game. Your method of use would simply not work. Hope this clears things up for you.
And yes, I have already stated what I think of your selection box for mellee idea. To save you the time of looking for it: it is retarded.
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Post by milkman on Aug 7, 2012 18:53:57 GMT 2
Par noob archer! I feel it works better to get good at selecting your arcs individually without presets so that you can get hella staggered fire going and can just make whatever arc they're shooting at dodge while the rest of your group fires at full capacity. Also: using control click with part of your arc group while others auto makes it harder for opponent. Shit, I've even gone so far as to taunt-fake like with locks. BTW if anyone with skillz ever wants to get on and give me a melee clinic, especially for with hgh, I'd maybe give you a little kiss on the asshole.  ;D PS Sam you ignored me! So I'll be more specific, ren's plug allows you to set your arcs to just shoot in a straight line every time you press T (along with several other options), actually works great against a charging duff in dodge mode, and is awesome if you set your dodging arcs to fire like that while others in the back auto with normal fire. PPS Ren I'm not giving too much away am I?  ;D |
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Post by adrenaline on Aug 7, 2012 18:55:51 GMT 2
However it remains to be seen how this would affect the nature of archer fights. If it dumbs down archer fights too much where dodging is almost impossible then it may not be a good thing. This is the one problem I see with a bow volley, no matter how it is implemented. It will make is virtually impossible to dodge with a single bowman vs multiple. No matter what direction you dodge, you are in the line of fire. |
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Post by adrenaline on Aug 7, 2012 18:56:54 GMT 2
Milk, ask me sometime and I will show you. No desire for the asshole kiss, though.
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Post by milkman on Aug 7, 2012 19:19:37 GMT 2
Thx dren I'll take you up on that sometime. The tricks I know for melee is: (1) zoom in for micro (2) when charging use the extra time to select which units to attack (3) clump units and let them auto-attack a group instead of clicking, fuking with enemy's micro by retreating a unit that is getting gangbanged (4) clumping units and letting them autoattack nearest enemy instead of clicking group What are the relative strengths of these tactics though? Are there any I'm missing? Also, is it true that when your hgh get vetted you can make them attack faster by clicking over and over because they frames refresh faster or whatever? And I know this is embarassing to admit but... I don't know how to make a group of hgs heal themselves in unison, how do you do this? And more arc tips for STB: remember that attacking arcs always have a slight advantage over retreating arcs as retreating arcs have to turn all the way around to fire whereas attacking arcs can dodge by just veering one way or the other. Also, side to side dodging is good for a frontal attack but if you're getting attacked from multiple angles, like in ffa or when you're getting flanked, a kind of circular motion is better. Don't even get me started on souls. I'm stuck in an airport for 8 hours and bored  |
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Post by giantkillergeneral on Aug 7, 2012 19:31:22 GMT 2
heal-all for herons is hold shift-t instead of just t.
I will be happy to melee you sometime, or anyone for that matter.
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Post by sasper on Aug 7, 2012 19:51:09 GMT 2
real men control their units on the command line. mice are newb pussies
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Post by adrenaline on Aug 7, 2012 19:57:02 GMT 2
heal-all for herons is hold shift-t instead of just t. This, but it has to be the middle heron. Or if a large group of hg, near the middle of the pack will do. |
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Post by cruniac on Aug 7, 2012 19:58:30 GMT 2
If you want to make myth a better place, stop hosting the same *cruisering* retarded map over and over it *cruisering* sucks bro.
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Post by par73 on Aug 7, 2012 21:18:34 GMT 2
Also: using control click with part of your arc group while others auto makes it harder for opponent. No it does not In fact i'd say it makes it easier unless your opponent is too stupid to figure out what your doing ! |
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Post by milkman on Aug 7, 2012 22:01:34 GMT 2
No it does not In fact i'd say it makes it easier unless your opponent is too stupid to figure out what your doing ! Trippin dude. Though its true that with arc duels you basically rotate tactics, switching it up whenever the opponent figures out your ploy. |
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Post by headhunter on Aug 7, 2012 22:18:08 GMT 2
I find this idea interesting and at the very least worth testing.
I admit I haven't read the entire thread yet, but wanted to leave input:
As far as Adrenalines double control click formation idea I think that is great.
As far as Adrenaline thinking it will dumb down Myth, I'm not sure I agree.
And honestly, both of you - wouldn't you appreciate having to work a little harder for your victories?
Also, this idea doesn't appear to me as one that takes away the importance of micro-managing.
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Post by giantkillergeneral on Aug 7, 2012 22:25:04 GMT 2
you clearly misunderstood my entire post hh
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Post by headhunter on Aug 7, 2012 23:06:36 GMT 2
I have read more closely and removed your name.
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Post by adrenaline on Aug 7, 2012 23:10:35 GMT 2
I don't see how u could possibly disagree that a single click that replaces 6 clicks (using 6v6 bowmen for example) DOES NOT dumb down the game.
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